Pakistan Turns to Russia's S-350 Vityaz After S-400 Request Denied

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In a move reflecting the complexities of regional geopolitics, Pakistan has reportedly sought to acquire Russia's S-350 Vityaz air defence system after its initial request for the more advanced S-400 was turned down.

Sources suggest that Russia's decision to decline the S-400 sale stems from a desire to avoid supplying identical high-end defence capabilities to neighboring nations with a history of conflict, especially as India already operates the S-400. This careful approach underscores Russia's efforts to maintain a balanced defence relationship in South Asia while preventing an escalation of the arms race between India and Pakistan.

While not as sophisticated as the S-400, the S-350 Vityaz is a formidable medium-to-long-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) system. With a range of up to 120 kilometers, it can track and engage a variety of targets, including ballistic and cruise missiles, and various aircraft.

Acquisition of the S-350 would significantly bolster Pakistan's current air defence capabilities, providing a robust mid-range layer to counter aerial threats. Experts highlight the system's flexibility, efficiency, and ability to neutralize diverse aerial threats, potentially enhancing Pakistan's defence posture along its borders.

Pakistan's existing air defence network primarily comprises Chinese and indigenously developed systems, supplemented by limited acquisitions from other allies. Although functional, these systems lack the advanced layered defence offered by platforms like the S-400 or S-350. Key assets in Pakistan's current arsenal include:
  • Anza Series MANPADS: Pakistan's domestically produced Man-Portable Air Defence System (MANPADS) series, the Anza Mk-I, Mk-II, and Mk-III, are shoulder-fired missiles with limited range (4 to 6 kilometers) designed to counter low-flying threats. While effective in certain scenarios, they lack the sophistication to engage advanced aircraft and missile systems.
  • HQ-9/P: Pakistan's most advanced air defence system, the Chinese-made HQ-9/P, is a medium-to-long-range SAM system with a range of approximately 100 to 125 kilometers. It can intercept both aircraft and missiles, enhancing Pakistan's ability to address aerial threats within its borders.
  • LY-80 (HQ-16): Another Chinese system, the LY-80, provides medium-range air defence with an engagement range of up to 40 kilometers. While it contributes to Pakistan's air defence strategy, its range and target handling capacity are limited compared to more advanced systems.
  • FM-90 and HQ-7: These short-range systems are designed for point defense of specific strategic assets or locations. With limited ranges (10 to 15 kilometers), they primarily target low-altitude threats and are not suited for comprehensive national air defense.
Russia's reluctance to provide Pakistan with the S-400 underscores its strategic balancing act in South Asia. Supplying both India and Pakistan with the same advanced system could destabilize the regional security environment and strain Russia's long-standing defence partnership with India, which highly values its exclusive access to such technology. As the first foreign buyer of the S-400, India's acquisition has significantly altered the regional power dynamics.

This development highlights the ongoing complexities of arms sales and defence cooperation in a region marked by historical tensions and strategic considerations. It remains to be seen how Russia's decision and Pakistan's pursuit of the S-350 will ultimately impact the regional security landscape.
 
That means Chinese Air defence is Not capable Ha Ha Ha Ha
Sir, I fully agree with you. The fact that Bhikaristan isn't going for something like the HQ-9 says a lot about Chinese systems.

Then again, considering that India also operates the S-300VM, perhaps we can push Russia not to sell the S-350? Thoughts?
 
Russians are selling weapons to Pakistan for a long time...

Why are not we selling weapons to Ukraine??
 
Russians are selling weapons to Pakistan for a long time...

Why are not we selling weapons to Ukraine??
I agree with you to the extent that we are a tad over-optimistic when it comes to Russia regarding their relationship with Bhikaristan.

That said, as we have been seeing, Indian arms are ending up in Ukraine, so there is that.
 
Russians are selling weapons to Pakistan for a long time...

Why are not we selling weapons to Ukraine??
...what do u mean? if Russia is not our friend then since when India declared Russia as enemy?😂

The things is that it is difficult and awkward to say that Russia, a sovereign nation, should make Indian interest top priority while selling weapons! In same way, Russia also can't entirely dictate Indian arms sales to it's enemies.

As of now, such big strategic weapons have not been sold to Pak. And India has not sold similar ones to Russian enemies, it shows there is still some understanding on the part of India & Russia. Also learn to differentiate between strategic weapons and tactical weapons.
 
Also shows Russia is not our friend as many Indians think
It's unrealistic to expect Russia to cater exclusively to Indian interests, especially when considering their own strategic priorities and vice versa. However, Russia has abstained from selling major strategic weapons to Pak, knowing that it may not go down well with India which exports such weapons from Russia.
 
I agree with you to the extent that we are a tad over-optimistic when it comes to Russia regarding their relationship with Bhikaristan.

That said, as we have been seeing, Indian arms are ending up in Ukraine, so there is that.
Indian weapons ending up in Ukraine are tactical weapons like Tank rounds. Whereas, S300/350/400 are strategic weapons that cause threat to national security of opponents.
 
It's unrealistic to expect Russia to cater exclusively to Indian interests, especially when considering their own strategic priorities and vice versa. However, Russia has abstained from selling major strategic weapons to Pak, knowing that it may not go down well with India which exports such weapons from Russia.
Russia only have 3/4 friends left.

India is one of them.

Also by that logic we c#an sell tanks arti#s and ammunition to Ukraine too.. All Non strategic
 
Sir, I fully agree with you. The fact that Bhikaristan isn't going for something like the HQ-9 says a lot about Chinese systems.

Then again, considering that India also operates the S-300VM, perhaps we can push Russia not to sell the S-350? Thoughts?
Russia would never sell Pakistan anything that can be a serious threat in India.
Specially in current scenario, where Indian companies are buying tonnes of Russian oil and several Indian companies supplying them some crucial subsystems of some important machines that Russia is using in different sectors. India fought whole world in recent 1-2 years to defend Russian oil purchase. Russia knew India has a very strong govt and is not working under any pressure of west.
Unlike china, India is a democratic country, one of the biggest economy with superb growth rate, a future manufacturing hub, a powerhouse in IT & medicine and is a big market.
I don't think putin is so dumb that he would dare to take risk against friendship with India.
 
Russia only have 3/4 friends left.

India is one of them.

Also by that logic we c#an sell tanks arti#s and ammunition to Ukraine too.. All Non strategic
There is no way India will sell arms and ammos to Ukraine as it will amount to direct participation in this ongoing war. Since, Russia isn't even state enemy of India then why India will act as per ur logic?. Was not India in denial when Russia questioned the presence of Made in India ammos in Ukrainian hand? Rather, those ammos were supplied by 3rd parties by ordering it from India.
 
India can order same S350 and another S500 unit from Russia. Let's complicate it. Even a single order of S350 from India then Russia will deny even 10 units of S350 from Pakistan.
 
There is no way India will sell arms and ammos to Ukraine as it will amount to direct participation in this ongoing war. Since, Russia isn't even state enemy of India then why India will act as per ur logic?. Was not India in denial when Russia questioned the presence of Made in India ammos in Ukrainian hand? Rather, those ammos were supplied by 3rd parties by ordering it from India.
That's my point then why Russians sell weapons to our primary enemy??

How can Russia be our friends??
 
That's my point then why Russians sell weapons to our primary enemy??

How can Russia be our friends??
You are engaging in emotional reasoning fallacy.

...all nations care most about their sphere of influence which is part of their national interest. if XYZ nation is loosing influence in India to US, then they might shift their influence to Pak. This is called countermeasure. All nations practice similar countermeasure.

By your logic, if selling some arms to Pak makes them state enemy of India then there will be almost no friends for India. Almost all nations have sold their weapons to Pak, largest of them are Western nations & China. Your logic is flawed.
 
Russia would never sell Pakistan anything that can be a serious threat in India.
Specially in current scenario, where Indian companies are buying tonnes of Russian oil and several Indian companies supplying them some crucial subsystems of some important machines that Russia is using in different sectors. India fought whole world in recent 1-2 years to defend Russian oil purchase. Russia knew India has a very strong govt and is not working under any pressure of west.
Unlike china, India is a democratic country, one of the biggest economy with superb growth rate, a future manufacturing hub, a powerhouse in IT & medicine and is a big market.
I don't think putin is so dumb that he would dare to take risk against friendship with India.
So you are telling us that 100+ JF17s which fly using Russian engines, are not a serious threat to India at all? And what about the attack choppers, ATGMs, air defense systems, small arms etc.?
 
As of now, such big strategic weapons have not been sold to Pak. And India has not sold similar ones to Russian enemies, it shows there is still some understanding on the part of India & Russia. Also learn to differentiate between strategic weapons and tactical weapons.
JF17 fly using Russian engines. Russia signed a deal with China that specifically said that the engines should only be used by Pakistan.
 

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