Analysis While Not as Stealthy as F-35, Su-57 Still Outperforms China's J-20 and J-36, Claims Gen GD Bakshi Citing Stable Engine and Superior Agility

While Not as Stealthy as F-35, Su-57 Still Outperforms China's J-20 and J-36, Claims Gen GD Bakshi Citing Stable Engine and Superior Agility


Retired Major General G.D. Bakshi, a well-known Indian military analyst, recently asserted that Russia's Su-57 "Felon" fighter jet, despite lacking the stealth capabilities of the American F-35 Lightning II, possesses superior overall performance compared to China's J-20 and J-36 fighters.

Bakshi made these remarks at a defense symposium held in New Delhi in February 2025. His assessment highlights the Su-57's strengths, particularly in areas beyond stealth, which is a crucial factor in the ongoing development of fifth-generation fighter aircraft.

This analysis is particularly relevant as India considers technological collaborations, such as incorporating Russian engine technology (like the Product 177S) into its own defense programs.

The Lockheed Martin F-35A is widely considered the benchmark for stealth technology. With more than 1,000 units delivered worldwide by 2025, its design minimizes radar detection.

Its radar cross-section (RCS), a measure of how detectable an object is by radar, is estimated to be between 0.001 and 0.005 square meters. This is achieved through its angular shape, the use of radar-absorbent materials, and internal weapons bays.

The F-35 also boasts an advanced AN/APG-81 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar and a Distributed Aperture System (DAS), enhancing its ability to detect and engage targets from beyond visual range (BVR) while remaining undetected.

General Bakshi acknowledged the F-35's superior stealth, a view supported by defense experts.

The Su-57's RCS is estimated to be significantly higher, between 0.1 and 0.5 square meters, due to factors like exposed engine components, riveted panels, and, in earlier models, external weapon hardpoints.

However, Russia has been actively working to improve the Su-57's stealth characteristics. The latest versions, powered by the AL-51F1 (also known as Izdeliye 30) engine since 2022, incorporate stealth-treated thrust vector control (TVC) nozzles, which help to reduce the aircraft's infrared signature.

The aircraft's frame contains a good amount, 25% of composite materials. The composite materials and radar-absorbent coatings are a part of Sukhoi's claim of achieving a Radar Cross Section (RCS) "several orders below" that of fourth-generation fighters like the Su-35 (which has an RCS of 10-20 square meters).

While not matching the F-35's stealth, these improvements make the Su-57 a "low-observable" aircraft, which, according to Bakshi, gives it an advantage over its Chinese counterparts.

China's Chengdu J-20, the primary stealth fighter of the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF), had over 200 units in operation by 2025. Its design, featuring a tailed delta wing and forward canards, suggests a better RCS (estimated between 0.02 and 0.1 square meters) than the Su-57, according to some analyses, largely due to the extensive use of composites and radar-absorbent materials.

However, the J-20's engine development has faced challenges. Initially using WS-10C engines, the transition to the more powerful WS-15 (producing 142 kN of thrust) has been plagued by reported reliability issues, and the presence of thrust vectoring remains unconfirmed.

The J-20 is equipped with PL-15 missiles, providing a BVR engagement range of 150-200 kilometers, but its Type 1475 AESA radar and overall sensor fusion capabilities are considered less advanced than the F-35's highly integrated system.

General Bakshi's central argument rests on the Su-57's superior maneuverability and firepower. Powered by two AL-51F1 engines, providing a combined 176 kN of thrust with afterburner, the Su-57 can achieve supercruise (sustained supersonic flight without afterburners) at speeds of Mach 1.3. Its three-dimensional thrust vectoring control (3D TVC) provides exceptional agility, surpassing the heavier J-20 (which has a maximum takeoff weight of 32 tons).

The Su-57's K-77M missile has a range of 200 kilometers, comparable to or exceeding the PL-15. While the N036 Byelka radar is less sophisticated than the F-35's radar, it offers 360-degree coverage through the use of cheek-mounted arrays.

Bakshi emphasized that the Su-57 trades some stealth for enhanced performance, a compromise the J-20 cannot match, particularly in dogfights and in scenarios where heavier external payloads (up to 10 tons compared to the J-20's 8 tons) are required.

General GD Bakshi claims J-35A is also trumped by the Su-57 because of maturity, and the Russian jet's versatility. While over 20 of the Russian jets were produced by 2025, and has seen combat experience in Ukraine, J-35A is still a prototype.

While the N036 Radar and its hardpoints provide a great level of flexibility, J-35A's WS-19 engines are yet to be proven. Bakshi underlined on readiness over specifications, claiming that, "China's jets look Stealthy, but Russia's flies better".

There are dissenting opinions to Bakshi's assessment. Some analysts point to the J-20's larger production scale (200 units compared to the Su-57's approximately 20) and the J-36's potential for export as indicators of China's growing momentum in this field. They also highlight the Su-57's remaining stealth limitations, such as exposed rivets and the lack of full utilization of internal weapons bays, which could diminish its advantage over time.

However, in a South Asian operational context, where within-visual-range (WVR) engagements remain a significant possibility (as evidenced by events like the 2019 Balakot airstrike), the Su-57's superior agility could potentially outweigh its stealth deficiencies against China's less combat-proven designs.
 
Su 57 production runs in India would even up the score. AL 51 engine manufacturing would bring about a mind change in confidence.
 
We had rejected Su-57 aka T-50 offered as FGFA in past so there is no point to select Su-57E with less stealth ! Better we select F-35 JSF under MRFA and make 90 F-35 JSF and 36 F-35B for IAF and IN !
 
We had rejected Su-57 aka T-50 offered as FGFA in past so there is no point to select Su-57E with less stealth ! Better we select F-35 JSF under MRFA and make 90 F-35 JSF and 36 F-35B for IAF and IN !
If they deliver. No Signature not even a concrete proposal just an attempt at putting clogs. Security isn't negotiable. Su 57 offers something concrete, an ability to bring engine technology into the country and allow you to play with it at your pleasure. One can't negotiate with God.
 
There's no point even considering F-35 because it is made in USA. By far the most unreliable supplier! They can stop you from using these aircraft, even after they are delivered. Further, they are more expensive and there's no transfer of technology.
 
USA is most unreliable. In a crisis, they are capable of bending your hand and abandoning you without giving essential parts. Worldwide, USA offers war machines to make countries dance according to their tunes.
 
If they deliver. No Signature not even a concrete proposal just an attempt at putting clogs. Security isn't negotiable. Su 57 offers something concrete, an ability to bring engine technology into the country and allow you to play with it at your pleasure. One can't negotiate with God.
Is there any guarantee that US will deliver F 35 in the first place ? It may be a mere dangling of a carrot to stop/ stall India from going to Russian side. Look at GE for engine.
 
We had rejected Su-57 aka T-50 offered as FGFA in past so there is no point to select Su-57E with less stealth ! Better we select F-35 JSF under MRFA and make 90 F-35 JSF and 36 F-35B for IAF and IN !
You have lost your mind
 
Is there any guarantee that US will deliver F 35 in the first place ? It may be a mere dangling of a carrot to stop/ stall India from going to Russian side. Look at GE for engine.
Yes, US will never ever relish india's Success over Mk2 & Amca. With US , it is only carrots all the way. No GE-414
 
Wow, you guys are very salty about the Americans. But I prefer American peace than Russian or Chinese peace. I can only imagine what a world where those two authoritian states dominated. At least the Americans only bomb terrorists and cause some civilian collateral. Russia would try to eat up all of Central Asia and Eastern Europe if it had been the top superpower, while China would take control of the entire South China Sea and nearby nations, exception of India.
 
If RR wins Engine development, Foreign partner, then winner of MRFA will be any one. There are 3 countries who can clinch the MRFA Deal: France (Rafale), Eurofighter, & Russia (Su-57).
 
It's true that the Su-57 is more agile, while the J-20 may be stealthier and carry a larger payload. The Su-57 may offer advantages in WVR combat, but since BVR engagements are likely to dominate all future combat scenarios, except for those strictly taking place in mountains, I believe the fighter jet with the best stealth coatings, plus excellent sensors and weapons fusion, will come out on top.
 
In Era of Stealth supersonic Drones and cruise missiles, who needs a stealthy beast of burden with a heafty price tag to do what that Surface to air missile system with 600km kill zone like S400 Triumph so do so, only place where this looks promising is Navy and carrier based power projections beyound land boundaries, where F35 would be best and capable to take on China Navy on the go. On land stealth or no stealth is just a mental problem, rather than tactical.
 
For us, the F-35 is the best way to go, before we go balls deep in AMCA. Till then, our best way to counter and outmaneuver China and her vassal minions like Pakis.
 
If Russia offered Su-57 with Kinzhal hypersonic missiles and Kh-69, R-37M missiles, then India would agree to purchase Su-57.
 
Su-57 is not even a 5th gen jet in the true sense. Even Russia hasn't ordered enough of them. It would be foolish for us to trust Russians in modern avionics, stealth, and radar systems. The Su-57 would be a worse choice than even the F-21.
 
Wow, you guys are very salty about the Americans. But I prefer American peace than Russian or Chinese peace. I can only imagine what a world where those two authoritian states dominated. At least the Americans only bomb terrorists and cause some civilian collateral. Russia would try to eat up all of Central Asia and Eastern Europe if it had been the top superpower, while China would take control of the entire South China Sea and nearby nations, exception of India.
Bro knows nothing about American history
 

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