HAL Pushes for Homegrown Cargo Transporter to Stay Afloat in MTA Race

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), India's state-owned aerospace giant, is pushing for the development of a fully indigenous cargo transporter.

This move comes as HAL feels the pressure of potential exclusion from the upcoming Medium Transport Aircraft (MTA) program. The development of an indigenous platform also plays into India's increasing focus on self-reliance in defense.

HAL's push for an indigenous solution comes on the heels of a private Indian company's successful execution of the C-295 transport aircraft order, marking a historical first for the country's defense sector.

Sources familiar with the MTA program confirm HAL's advocacy for a domestically developed cargo aircraft. This approach aligns with the government's goal of bolstering India's self-reliance in military technology and could offer long-term advantages in maintenance and upgrades.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) Chief's recent announcement regarding the replacement of its aging An-32 and IL-76 fleets with MTAs by 2030 and beyond presents a highly lucrative opportunity.

The potential for an order potentially exceeding 100 aircraft over the next two decades makes the MTA tender a highly desirable contract for defense contractors worldwide.

India's decision to withdraw from the collaborative MTA program with Russia, in which HAL held a key role, deprived the company of a pre-existing design for the IAF's needs.

Furthermore, several foreign aerospace companies interested in the IAF's tender have opted to partner with private Indian firms. This strategic move could potentially marginalize HAL if it doesn't put forward a compelling domestic solution.

The Indian government and the IAF are faced with a critical choice. Will they favor the potential long-term benefits of a fully indigenous aircraft spearheaded by HAL, or will the lure of established foreign platforms and partnerships with the private sector prove more appealing?

Ultimately, the coming months will prove pivotal in shaping the future of India's military transport aircraft capabilities and HAL's role within it.

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

You may be right, but this type of behaviour is standard. More competition is a good thing. We should encourage it. If HAL wants to compete, let them present a detailed plan.

As I have said previously, I have no issues with HAL presenting a comprehensive, detailed plan, provided its realistic and achievable. They seem to love giving absurd fantastical development schedules, which even they realize is just untenable.

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

HAL has lots of due "homeworks"
Fighter jets - Tejas Mk 1A, Tejas Mk 2, AMCA, TEDBF
Trainers - HTT-40, HJT-36
Helicopters - NUH, IMRH...

They are not able to complete simple projects like trainer aircraft which they have already done in the past. Now, they are expecting to design and build a completely new transport aircraft about which they have no idea, nor any experience or infrastructure.

Dude they are not homework rather they are incomplete notes which we had to go to our friends house to complete sometimes. Every one of the project is delayed and they want to grab more project when they cant eve deliver whats already been ordered.

 

[Prashu Sam]

Please keep HAL away.

This is not 2075 delivery date.

HAL do the work on time what you have and then prove that you qualify for such bids

 

[GMR]

To understand HAL, we need Nirvan as described by Gautam Budh.🙏 common public, like us, will never realise HAL's efficiency & capability..

 

[Prashu Sam]

This Atmanirbharta is only solution.

But I don't trust Hal also... They are not capable of it.. They are completely incompetent plus they are liers...

Plus we don't have kaveri engine.

What do we do???

If TAta or Ambani take this challenge...

Except engine, rest avionics, body,... Can be developed locally by hal/tata/ambani So at least it will be 70 local..

Embrarer or airbus... Will be 0% local. 100% import +screw driving

Whatever can deliver the fastest at this time. We are already lagging as usual and should not waste decades of discussion as we do about AMCA and MRFA.

Keep HAL away. Give it to private sector who can deliver at fast phas

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

Lower labor costs are not really true as Indian productivity is one of the lowest in the world !

HAL productivity is lowest. L&T and other private sector are quite productive in their operations.

 

[Frank]

Whatever can deliver the fastest at this time. We are already lagging as usual and should not waste decades of discussion as we do about AMCA and MRFA.

Keep HAL away. Give it to private sector who can deliver at fast phas

No most crucial thing right now is should we go Atmanirbhar.

If not now then never

 

[Bikramjeet Goswami]

Better do choose a plane from a foreign firm that actually exists than go for HAL's offer of a plane that only exists in imagination. HAL should focus solely on the Tejas programme and adhere to their production timeline.
Being a big customer is the second best thing after being able to produce it ourselves. Our problem is that our politicians, bureaucrats and military officers are properly unable to leverage our position as "big customer" to obtain favourable deals.

 

[Bikramjeet Goswami]

Atmanirbhar have to be started somewhere

Atmanirbharta is a political slogan, as devoid of substance as say, Swatch Bharat. With significant R&D spending (both by the Govt. and also by private companies) we cannot hope to make world class products.

 

[beencensured]

Yes, we have been developing SARAS ( 19 seater) since 1993. This was similar to Do-228. However, 30 years and many hundred crores of rupees, what do we have ? a generation of employees who joined, got promoted and retired on this program with no certified aircraft yet !

Think small live small is nothing but shamelessness. Saras has never been that kind of project but a technical demonstrator. We need national project of Heavy lift aircraft and MTA. It needs to be done , now.

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

Think small live small is nothing but shamelessness. Saras has never been that kind of project but a technical demonstrator. We need national project of Heavy lift aircraft and MTA. It needs to be done , now.

What makes u think they are even remotely capable of building a heavy lift cargo aircraft, when they failed to build Saras aircraft, that wad far more simple and even lacked pressurized cabin.

 

[Agent Provocateur1]

Means we will have to wait for 50 years!!
HAL has been assembling Avro HS748 since 1960, German Dornier since 1970.

Yet in 2024, they say they will create a transporter!!

Redesigned Avro HS748 now property of BAE systems , UK can cut import of French ATR72 for civilian use.

Dornier tied up with Fairchild of USA to create a narrow body jet Do728. Project failed because Fairchild pulled out.

Point is HAL must stop behaving like those money wasting Bureaucrats and do something productive for a change.

IMO, Govt of India must talk to BAE systems, Dornier for transfer of the license to an interested private company, If successful, some menial work can be transferred to HAL as subcontractor.

 

[Fly]

Haha
Sounds ridiculous but we need to start somewhere 😮‍💨

 

[amerjit johal]

My fear is that I will pass away due to old age - before I get to see these exciting developments.

 

[Sudha]

HAL should also include civilian aircraft variant in its plan

Let them first complete what they have contracted for, ages ago. 😂

 

[Sudha]

agree.. but our private companies are no better.. only import screw driver and make profit...

only strong leader can change that..

alas..

After policy changes not even 5 years are over & you expect private sector to perform without experience & that too on non existent contracts? Most of the DPSUs have experience of over 65 years on screw driving, that is ok? For DPSUs everything is funded by the government unlike for private sector.

 

[Sudha]

Atmanirbhar have to be started somewhere

Yup but not with HAL.

 

[Sudha]

Atmanirbharta is a political slogan, as devoid of substance as say, Swatch Bharat. With significant R&D spending (both by the Govt. and also by private companies) we cannot hope to make world class products.

It isn't a political slogan. GOI has spent a lot on it but Indians just want a swatch Bharat or atmanirbhar Bharat till someone else is taking the effort. The comments in this section is proof enough.

 

[Sudha]

2 decades is being too optimistic.

True with HAL at the helm.

 

[Tls Mani]

With few lathe machines & lousy personnel they want to make everything. Theres no time for deliveries. MOD should never put all eggs in this broken basket Co.

 

[beencensured]

What makes u think they are even remotely capable of building a heavy lift cargo aircraft, when they failed to build Saras aircraft, that wad far more simple and even lacked pressurized cabin.

Well, SARAS is a small little NAL project. This will be HAL project who has much more experience. Further China built a heavy lift, why cannot India? Can you explain your illiteracy that you doubt that 1950 technology plane cannot be built in India. Tejas again has more composite by weight then most aircraft in industry making it one of the lightest planes. Brazilians are building planes and so are others like Chinese, American, Europeans, and others. I wonder do you do not shame Satya Narayana Nadella left to America because of the crony capitalism, Corrupt crony governments, family politics, family bureaucracy that appreciates no talent or capable people, but he gave results and caused Microsoft to be three trillion dollars. While some still stick to cronies and do not like talent, and development, but then you look at talent like him and say made company not 1/10 the value into a 3 trillion dollar company and then say India may have a four trillion dollar economy, still you want to stick to crony capitalism, act regressive and never make effort to be the best. Why do you think such a small irrelevant project like SARAS attract any talent? You must be most shameless to think so.

 

[Frank]

Atmanirbharta is a political slogan, as devoid of substance as say, Swatch Bharat. With significant R&D spending (both by the Govt. and also by private companies) we cannot hope to make world class products.

or just copy turkey or iran or south korea or isreal model...

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

As I have said previously, I have no issues with HAL presenting a comprehensive, detailed plan, provided its realistic and achievable. They seem to love giving absurd fantastical development schedules, which even they realize is just untenable.

As far as I know, they have not advocated for scrapping the tender for the medium transport aircraft. Maybe they want a future program for indigenous development of such a system with HAL at centre of it. India does have plan for a regional airliner which is on hold as it would cost 2billion dollars. Maybe HAL is floating the idea of similar plan for a medium transport aircraft.

Having such a plan for future (10-20 years) is not a bad idea. If HAL wont float it, who would? Since no one other than it can hope to build it.

 

[Frank]

Yup but not with HAL.

ok then tell M0dis freind fraud Adani or ambani or TATA to do it... how long will import and f00l people calling it Atmanirbhar.. not everyone is a low re tard like you who gets f00led by Feku M0di easily

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

As far as I know, they have not advocated for scrapping the tender for the medium transport aircraft. Maybe they want a future program for indigenous development of such a system with HAL at centre of it. India does have plan for a regional airliner which is on hold as it would cost 2billion dollars. Maybe HAL is floating the idea of similar plan for a medium transport aircraft.

Having such a plan for future (10-20 years) is not a bad idea. If HAL wont float it, who would? Since no one other than it can hope to build it.

No, but what they will do instead is, they will pitch the idea first and when government gives them clearance to proceed, they will then start lobbying with MoD and pressure groups to make it primary procurement project. Once that happens they will then get bogged down and then start delaying project and create excuses as how they are facing new challenges. After that every now and then they will run out of development funds and keep requesting for additional funds and keep delaying the project little by little at firs, but then they will dispose even that and at a very later stage say that they need more time. All while they have stalled the IAF procurement of the aircraft as they themselves pressured the MoD through unions and lobbied for this project becoming the primary project for transport aircraft.

This Modus Operandi quite frankly is getting old.

 

[Pad UwU]

Another wishful fantasy CGI aircraft from HAL😹😹😹

 

[Pad UwU]

My fear is that I will pass away due to old age - before I get to see these exciting developments.

😹😹😹
Well it's the current reality

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

No, but what they will do instead is, they will pitch the idea first and when government gives them clearance to proceed, they will then start lobbying with MoD and pressure groups to make it primary procurement project. Once that happens they will then get bogged down and then start delaying project and create excuses as how they are facing new challenges. After that every now and then they will run out of development funds and keep requesting for additional funds and keep delaying the project little by little at firs, but then they will dispose even that and at a very later stage say that they need more time. All while they have stalled the IAF procurement of the aircraft as they themselves pressured the MoD through unions and lobbied for this project becoming the primary project for transport aircraft.

This Modus Operandi quite frankly is getting old.

Oh, can you give an example of this. As far as I know, the case has been the opposite, where armed forces make ridiculous demands, then when they get domestic product, they reject it and buy foreign stuff

 

[Deepak Hegde]

HAL productivity is lowest. L&T and other private sector are quite productive in their operations.

Well, I meant productivity of DPSU's only. However, even for our private sector, productivity will need to be improved constantly, especially if they focus on exports. Right now, the lack of constant orders from Indian forces mean that that the deli, very pressure is not that high on the private players, but as they progress they will have to increase automation levels to improve productivity and precision.

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

HAL should also include civilian aircraft variant in its plan

Civil aircraft unlike military require a high level.of redundancy in avionics architecture. HAL is incapable of demonstrating such competency. If their shoddy work on ALH Dhruv components is any thing to go by, it's best HAL stays far away from civil aviation project.