UK Courts India for Tempest Fighter Jet Partnership, Rolls-Royce Eyes Engine Collaboration

The United Kingdom has renewed its invitation to India to join the ambitious Tempest sixth-generation fighter jet program, aiming to capitalize on India's expertise and potentially reduce development costs. While the UK currently collaborates with Italy and Japan on the project, both countries reportedly see India's participation as crucial to its success.

This renewed push comes after a previous attempt in 2019, with the UK highlighting the potential for India to contribute to software development and other key areas of the program.

In parallel, Rolls-Royce, a leading member of the Tempest development team, has expressed keen interest in collaborating with India on engine technology for the indigenous AMCA fifth-generation fighter program. This move could offer India a customized solution for its domestic fighter jet project.

India's decision remains uncertain, as the country balances its desire for access to cutting-edge technology with its "Make in India" initiative, which prioritizes self-reliance in defence manufacturing. While joining the Tempest program could offer technological advancements, it might limit India's control over intellectual property rights.

The Tempest program aims to develop a next-generation fighter jet with advanced capabilities, including stealth technology, artificial intelligence, and swarming drone capabilities. The target for the first flight is set for 2035.

India's participation could potentially reduce the program's estimated cost of $32.5 billion, a significant factor for all parties involved. The collaboration with Rolls-Royce on engine technology could also prove mutually beneficial, accelerating the development of India's AMCA program.

As India weighs its options, the decision to join the Tempest program or pursue a separate engine collaboration with Rolls-Royce will have significant implications for the country's defence capabilities and its role in the global aerospace industry.

 

[Akshat]

If from the start GoI dedicated on funding those certain project when it was introduced from the start.... We are not in this mess😿
Well it's one of Indian characteristics of wasting money in some ways... While remembering India is the richest country when we are still a moghul empire before become a British Indian Raj😹😹😹

No government ever gives all the funds in one go. The funds have been given as and when required. Fact is that HAL and ADA have regularly wasted 1000s of crores on these projects.

 

[Philippe Picard]

French AFAIK doesn't have any know how or hands on knowledge in developing of 5gen yet too much ambitious of 6gen....
FCAS 6gen members with some hands on know how and knowledge of 5gen tech and flying it is Germany....
Unlike GCAP Tempest 6gen UK and Japan has technology and know-how from 5gen that is crucial for 6gen... Japan Italy and UK operate 5gen so the real fact here is they are the most knowledgeable and have good ideas of what should be the definition of a 6gen aircraft likewise US gives approval of Japan partnership with UK because they are like-minded countries.... 😹😹😹If we join GCAP would we be also become like-minded too🙃

Your propaganda is obviously fake info....
If France is leading in aerospace technology,. why it can't even make innovation of 5gen and jumping straight to 6gen with the help of Germany and Spain 🧐🤔

Still colonized by the Anglo-Saxon, in your little mind. It's you that spreed propaganda against the French. Germany bought the F-35 but doesn't develop the 5th generation, and even don't flying them yet. Keep going pink panther, Primary Goal (or goat). France is a leader in aeronautic since the end of the 19th century. You are a francophobe person. The French can develops the 6th generation without the help of others. The concept of stealth waht already known since the 1980. What a biggot you are. And also the guy NSR who is pro Anglo-american. You are not truly independent from yours master.

 

[Enforcer]

Let's break this down into pros and cons:

Pros:

1. Technology and expertise development within India for next-generation aircraft development that will finally allow us to push the envelope when it comes to fighter design.
2. Partial/ shared IPR that can allow us to consider some variation of the type as a potential replacement for the Su-30MKI.
3. Potential to integrate some of these technologies into AMCA Mk II to make it close to, if not a full, 6th generation fighter.

Cons:

1. Massive price tag. We would be looking at around 8 billion USD of investment, assuming an equal share for everyone.
2. Risks associated with multi-national programs, especially when it comes to costs, delays, and technology ownership and sharing, as well as export concerns.

That said, this is something that warrants very serious thought. I am personally in favour of joining either the GCAP or FCAS programs, but we shouldn't just write off this kind of opportunity.

I am definitely willing to take this deal since with other countries, atleast we have a chance to see the aircraft fly one day, with amca, it will take another 30 years.

 

[Oleg Olkha]

But, colleagues, FCAS and GCAP have little in common with 6gen. American... Рlay on words, but it is an irreplaceable experience of leading companies with 5gen. Regards...

 

[Pad UwU]

Still colonized by the Anglo-Saxon, in your little mind. It's you that spreed propaganda against the French. Germany bought the F-35 but doesn't develop the 5th generation, and even don't flying them yet. Keep going pink panther, Primary Goal (or goat). France is a leader in aeronautic since the end of the 19th century. You are a francophobe person. The French can develops the 6th generation without the help of others. The concept of stealth waht already known since the 1980. What a biggot you are. And also the guy NSR who is pro Anglo-american. You are not truly independent from yours master.

Keep crying.... French booty licker. Still can't accept reality that France don't have real factual know how or experience in 5gen aircraft technology then trying to jump into 6gen kakakakak 😹😹😹😹.... German and Anglo Saxon Brit's are same with a him of Brit's that have Celtic in themselves 🙃....

Your the racist here bruh.... Can't accept that the Germans engineering department are more high above than the French that's why they needed them to form a group and just drag Spain for some small help....

If they are way superior why don't they soloing again like what they did in rafale😹😹😹😹...

Fun fact most Indian billionaire or millionaires had foreign passport or multiple citizenship secretly.... And one of those are from Brit's and USA 🙃 keep crying fake French fries

No one even believing what your pro french bias.... Anglophobic

I only give credits were it's due....
Only give trash star for them with a bad review if I don't see good init🙃 whether if it's Russian, US, French, Chinese or the fatty pig Brit's 😹
So for me your the bias here snotty french snail

 

[Pad UwU]

One clear benefit of going alone -
The scientists and engineers from India will be in highly respected and paid in the global market.

(But, if you join the Tempest or any such program then 100% of the credit would go to occidental scientists and engineers. India would only be credited with providing the funds.
So, go alone to win long-term credibility and respect for Indian talent.)

How can you know that if we are still not a member of GCAP such a bias approach 😹😹😹
I only believe you on this if we are a member of it.... Then wait if we can give or share innovation while they didn't mention our contribution from it🙃

 

[Pad UwU]

This is an attempt at creating a knowledge gap and talent gap in India.

Because we still don't have knowledge and experience like what they have already.... Your schizophrenia is triggering your delusional sickness bruh

 

[Pad UwU]

Given that India has been struggling to get it's 5th Gen efforts off the ground, joining Tempest in an observer capacity or even with a contribution to the supply chain would go a long way in helping technology trickle down the Indian private sector. Bringing in players like L&T and TASL to the tempest program will benefit India immensely. However, taking such a decision with 2035 in mind requires long term vision, one that the current setup is found lacking. Such a program will not only benefit India, but will also push its standing in the global security order.

Good point but many French dalla or obsession of Agnipath/Bharatiya here are still delulu and can't accept that we need help and learning from foreign countries to level up our playing field against China and Pakistan

 

[Pad UwU]

So UK wants India only for money and reduce software development cost. We are better off on our own.

Then why are all our secret projects are still decades delayed🤔🧐
Mr know it all😹😹😹

 

[Pad UwU]

No government ever gives all the funds in one go. The funds have been given as and when required. Fact is that HAL and ADA have regularly wasted 1000s of crores on these projects.

I didn't say all fund... Just a initial funding and waiting for real results

 

[Pad UwU]

If operating equals expertise, then India also operates Rafale but we are not even close to developing M88 or Spectra. Fact is that UK can’t develop an engine on its own. None of the members can. Similarly, a British researcher paid by EF also said that France is ahead of UK and other EF consortium members when it comes to Radar tech, and will remain so at least for this decade.

Rolls Royce can make their new engine but eurofighter is a consortium so they subdivided their 4 nations contribution of each part...
Nah the radar tech is just on par or more advance if eurofighter upgrade into new radar against the f3 or f4 rafale radar if the British different radar variant is ready for delivery it may be on par or ahead to rafale f5 radar.... I already saw it in old news...

Only big problem of eurofighter is the 4 nations got lazy of upgrading and ordering newer tranche variant that's why french...

To be honest eurofighter Qatar variant is more advance than Germany, Spain, Italy and UK 😹😹😹😹 and that's a fact.... They will bypass Qatar's version until if German and Spanish latest tranche arrive 🙃

 

[Akil]

Sure, we have the right to do that. However, without having a developed or mature ecosystem where all such technology and talent is developed, we would just be on a wild goose chase. That is why we should be looking at joining GCAP or FCAS today, since that would allow us to contribute what we know, learn from others' expertise, and actually get something that we can use in other areas as well, as opposed to being an end buyer wherein we would just be, in your own words, paying to get the license to use someone else's IP.

But Dassault is adamantly against creating any eco system or transferring any technology in India, this is the reason why last MMRCA 1.0 program to make 126 Rafael’s failed, on top of that they even insulted Indian DPSU’s like HAL and private companies as dumb companies who doesn’t even have the ability to even screw drive (Assemble) their Rafale in India, so if we wanted ecosystem and no insult, then we shouldn’t work with Dassault, now they are even going to great lengths to buy 100% stake in DRAL to kill any participation of Indian entities to avoid any Rafale tech from leaking, there is even rumor that they wanted to bring only French technicians to work in Dassault India, except for Watchman and cleaning jobs rather than recruiting technicians from India.

 

[kumar]

Then why are all our secret projects are still decades delayed🤔🧐
Mr know it all😹😹😹

U should ask that question to our IA, Mr. Ignorant gentleman.

 

[Anant]

But Dassault is adamantly against creating any eco system or transferring any technology in India, this is the reason why last MMRCA 1.0 program to make 126 Rafael’s failed, on top of that they even insulted Indian DPSU’s like HAL and private companies as dumb companies who doesn’t even have the ability to even screw drive (Assemble) their Rafale in India, so if we wanted ecosystem and no insult, then we shouldn’t work with Dassault, now they are even going to great lengths to buy 100% stake in DRAL to kill any participation of Indian entities to avoid any Rafale tech from leaking, there is even rumor that they wanted to bring only French technicians to work in Dassault India, except for Watchman and cleaning jobs rather than recruiting technicians from India.

They did not insult HAL back then. The government had this unrealistic demand that HAL, which has been known for chronic delays even for license-building, not be responsible for timely delivery. In effect, Dassault was being given what was essentially an advisory role and asked to take all the liability and responsibility to ensure HAL delivered on time. That is a stupid demand, to say the least.

They initially pushed to get DRAL to make the aircraft, but when the government insisted on HAL, Dassault agreed. However, that doesn't mean they should be forced to take the liability too.

Today, if Dassault wins MRFA, chances are the government will insist on Dassault divesting a part of DRAL to ensure that there is the requisite amount of ToT. Remember that Dassault is a private foreign company. They aren't existing for the benefit of India, so don't expect them to act as if they are.