Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

DRDO and GTRE is slow on finding foreign companies to form JV😹😹😹 are they planning it till 2030🙃
 
Deepak Hegde said:
That's s because they also deliver after talking, HAL looks for excuses not to deliver, can only talk big !
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DRDO and HAL needs to be reorganize into different entity and be punishable by law when they fffaaaqup a project
 
India should go for GE. The french are not good when it comes to value for money. And India needs to strenghten partnership with america to counter China. Macron recently visited China and repeated Chinese talking points. Also, GE is developing adaptive cycle engines for NGAD, I know it is a long shot, but chances will be greater that India gets few scraps from that technology, in 15 years or so if India chooses america and GE.
Also 414 deal has very high level of ToT, which shows how keen americans are to deepen partnership with India.
 
This model has been tried and probably will not work. It would be better to form a vehicle with GTRE/Indian Private partners , which will manage the management and logistics issues, GTRE will provide technology know how. This Vehicle should work with Foreign partners for technology and production partnership. This model will better. GTRE it is a Lab and technology development. there burden of finance, administration and management must be handled by professional organization.
 
Pad UwU said:
Kf21 and AMCA is just same years when started the problem of AMCA is that it was a repurpose FGFA project that turn into AMCA.... Nothing changes it's still on papers.... And it's a fact bruh., we can't change the current reality that we are lagging behind in development... Whatever excuses we can make just because Koreans and Turks get help from foreign countries while us is soloing our way and still struggling doesn't good in everything.... Those deym Koreans and Turks use their heads to out maneuver the long process of developing their aircraft.... In the future while upgrading their aircraft into next version their already slowly making parts and subsystems of their own... They adopting too fast than us
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We have different priorities and we dont have unlimited money. Previous govts had 0 motivation for promoting domestic defence manufacturing, it is only after mudi came, that domestic defence manufacturing became a priority. We have a ballistic missile program, we have home grown ICBM tech, we have a space program, we have domestic built AC, and nuclear powered submarines. All these things cost tons of money, domestic fighter development was never a priority because we could just buy them. Now priority has shifted.
 
Deepak Hegde said:
Lol ! Best excuse so far- they have been development longer ! what stopped us ?? We never had any technical capability, under name of self reliance, we want to rely on incompetent idiots from DRDO and HAL. We can still "be in development" for the rest of the century if we rely on DRDO and HAL and that too without any results. Only paper claims of how good and superior the planes are or will be !!
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What stopped us? We have different priorities and we dont have unlimited money. Previous govts had 0 motivation for promoting domestic defence manufacturing, it is only after mudi came, that domestic defence manufacturing became a priority. We have a ballistic missile program, we have home grown ICBM tech, we have a space program, we have domestic built AC, and nuclear powered submarines. All these things cost tons of money, domestic fighter development was never a priority because we could just buy them. Now priority has shifted.
 
For at least last 14 years, search is on for a partner to develop own engine. Yet unable to fix even that much.

At this stage, since we continue to ride on a wave of sarkaari incompetence, please consider Shenyang FC-31 too. Cheap, imported and looks 5th gen too.

Come on, we are prioritizing Plan-B over Plan-A. Any sane country should be pushing our indigenous GTRE Kaveri lock, stock and smoking barrel while considering a foreign partner as Plan-B if everything fails. Yahan ham 15 saal sei partner hi khoj rahe without improving things at GTRE.
 
Apocalypse gupta said:
India should go for GE. The french are not good when it comes to value for money. And India needs to strenghten partnership with america to counter China. Macron recently visited China and repeated Chinese talking points. Also, GE is developing adaptive cycle engines for NGAD, I know it is a long shot, but chances will be greater that India gets few scraps from that technology, in 15 years or so if India chooses america and GE.
Also 414 deal has very high level of ToT, which shows how keen americans are to deepen partnership with India.
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Let me tell you, what we will get is 4th gen engine which is existing from 1980s, thats what we will get, and nobody will give us technology above that either of 5th gen or 6th gen no matter how much money we throw. We dont have our basics right in engine technology or testbed. Thats the gap we want to bridge and thats how much behind we are. Now america doesnt share these with anybody except probably Britain. They will armtwist at slightest hint of our opposition. France even if they offer less technologically engine with full ipr for money its better to deal with them.
 
PARTHAJIT JANA said:
Let me tell you, what we will get is 4th gen engine which is existing from 1980s, thats what we will get, and nobody will give us technology above that either of 5th gen or 6th gen no matter how much money we throw. We dont have our basics right in engine technology or testbed. Thats the gap we want to bridge and thats how much behind we are. Now america doesnt share these with anybody except probably Britain. They will armtwist at slightest hint of our opposition. France even if they offer less technologically engine with full ipr for money its better to deal with them.
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What we are getting from ge 414 deal is manufacturing technologies, what we will get from other deal is know how,know why. in both manufacturing and knowledge we lack. Ge 414 deal is basically a better screwdrivergiri because we are screwdriving so many russian engines, knowledge hasnt come from there .
 
PARTHAJIT JANA said:
Let me tell you, what we will get is 4th gen engine which is existing from 1980s, thats what we will get, and nobody will give us technology above that either of 5th gen or 6th gen no matter how much money we throw. We dont have our basics right in engine technology or testbed. Thats the gap we want to bridge and thats how much behind we are. Now america doesnt share these with anybody except probably Britain. They will armtwist at slightest hint of our opposition. France even if they offer less technologically engine with full ipr for money its better to deal with them.
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414 has been upgraded many times and many countries are using it to power their 4th gen and 5th gen jets.
 
Sad to see foreign collaboration for future plan.
No confidence to build up our own.
why GTRE is not collaborating with young brains of IITians/IIScians or Adani/Ambani/Tata private firms.

After all, why foreign collabortion!!!
 
PARTHAJIT JANA said:
What we are getting from ge 414 deal is manufacturing technologies, what we will get from other deal is know how,know why. in both manufacturing and knowledge we lack. Ge 414 deal is basically a better screwdrivergiri because we are screwdriving so many russian engines, knowledge hasnt come from there .
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Knowledge won’t come from 414 deal either because HAL is the one doing the screw driving,
 
Shiva said:
Sad to see foreign collaboration for future plan.
No confidence to build up our own.
why GTRE is not collaborating with young brains of IITians/IIScians or Adani/Ambani/Tata private firms.

After all, why foreign collabortion!!!
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Because GTRE tried and failed. They had a blank check and they failed. Even this venture won’t do any good. Problem is GTRE. MoD should have thrown them out.
 
Pad UwU said:
Superior bruh in paper specs and CGI while those countries are already in sky flying high especially China... The SK government is now ordering 40 and manufacturing now it's Boramae mk1, while planning it's mk2 and mk3 ahead our oh so overhype AMCA... The ddd@mn Turks are flying it's prototype ahead of us too they are now doing it's mk2 version 🙃...
And us Indian still bickering and speculating or fantasizing when will AMCA materialize
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Ahead of us has no meaning if it is copied or reverse engineered weapons. It fails at the critical time.
 
Hari Sud said:
There are others like China, Turkey, South Korea building 5th generation fighters. The Indian AMCA has to be distinctly superior to these. That will make AMCA a true wait and build superior fighter.
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They will be in 15-20 years hopefully if all goes well.
 
Apocalypse gupta said:
What stopped us? We have different priorities and we dont have unlimited money. Previous govts had 0 motivation for promoting domestic defence manufacturing, it is only after mudi came, that domestic defence manufacturing became a priority. We have a ballistic missile program, we have home grown ICBM tech, we have a space program, we have domestic built AC, and nuclear powered submarines. All these things cost tons of money, domestic fighter development was never a priority because we could just buy them. Now priority has shifted.
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Sir- Please try explaining these excuses to China and Pakistan when they invade us with 5th of 6th Gen aircraft !!
 
Countries like Turkey and South Korea are were late to the game but now appear to have powered ahead of India in the quest to produce a 5th generation fighter. In the meantime India (GTRE) is looking to foreign countries to help develop fighter engines. Those scientists in charge of running GTRE need to accelerate.
 
Good, but what about rear stealth and full spectrum stealth...Design wise AMCA, even Mk-2 is way behind what F-22 has fileded and even the F-35s...We need AMCA-Mk-2 to be more ambitious, once we can develop the 130KN engine.
 
Ignore the Anglo-Saxon narrative and DoD should go to NPO Saturn for Article 41 (They have already done article 31) jet engine for AMCA- Russia is dying for a partner and India will get a reliable/predictable partner. For an out-of-the-Box thinking, you may also invite UAE as development partner for Financing.
 
Good, but we need this engine to start flying/testing by 2030 - is that possible? Then we need it mass produced by 2035 for AMCA Mk-2, and TEDBF...
Question - assuming we develop this 130KN, mass produced by 2035, what will it take for us then to develop variable cycle engines say in the 200+KN, thrust range (this is what is likely to power NGADs, which are already being tested now and will be deployed before 2030)...
Just asking as it is important to know where does cutting edge stands and how far back we are, and whether we ever plan to not only catch up but move ahead - of course this is a long term game, and we need to play it.
 
Deepak Hegde said:
Sir- Please try explaining these excuses to China and Pakistan when they invade us with 5th of 6th Gen aircraft !!
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We may lack in 5th gen fighter technology, but we have other weapons we can use to deter their aggression. We bought S400 systems specifially for Chinese 5th gen fighters and we have plenty of ballistic and cruise missiles for payback.
 
Apocalypse gupta said:
We may lack in 5th gen fighter technology, but we have other weapons we can use to deter their aggression. We bought S400 systems specifially for Chinese 5th gen fighters and we have plenty of ballistic and cruise missiles for payback.
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If these other alternatives are so good, why waste money, stop work on others which are not important and cannot be delivered on time!
 
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