Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[Pad UwU]

They HAVE BEEN developing this technology(AMCA) since 2008. They have made every engineering drawing for every part. It will be fifth generational and better then Su-57 and compete with f-22. There is no hype in AMCA, only needs make prototype and test it. Even Tejas mk1a(one most highly composite fighter jet in market) has reduced rcs, so expecting AMCA to be better and as stealth will not be some giant leap.

Developing on paper and CGI as 5gen, but til now no prototype

 

[beencensured]

I doubt that there is no hype in AMCA. I'm sure the AMCA prototype will be 4.5 instead of 5th generation, just like the TAI Kaan and KF-21. This prototype will have to be tested and polished further to ensure that it is truly is 5th generation. To be truly a stealth, fighter jets need to be flight tested in real life. Only then through further improvements and feedbacks it can achieve desirable result. Comparisons with Tejas make no sense at all because Tejas is smaller in size, which reduces its RCS.

A person does not know an iota talk out of head. Tejas is highly composite fighter aircraft unlike your nonsense prototypes. Now, answer why they have been working on AMCA since 2008.

 

[Santosh Kumar pal]

India should choose GE 145 kn jet engine for AMCA 5th generation fighter jets.
But, I do believe AMCA is a "Daydream" project of lndia.

 

[bonito]

Considering the only country that has a true stealth jet is USA, I really doubt the AMCA is outdated.

Not now, but the induction happens in 2040.

 

[Alok Gupta]

What is the percent of indigenous content by value in our indigenous HAL Tejas Mk-1? Which our good engineers at HAL have been developing since its first flight in 2000, almost 24 years ago?

Beta itna kyon fudak raheho. KF-21 and KAAN, both have significant amount of foreign parts. Even the Amercan F-35 is not wholy American. It has parts mad ein different countries. Beside Russia, and France no other country makes a fully 100% indeginous fighter jet. Please don't mention China because 75% of their technology is stolen or copied. India is just noe getting intot the game and achieving 65% content is a great achievement. Once the radar is indiginised, that will bring the content up to 75%. Once the new engine is developed, by then the other sensors etc will also be indeginised and India will have a 100% Indian jet. There may be a lot of doubters on this board, but I am confident that in 10 years, India is headed that way.

 

[PRO]

GTRE Seeks IAF Support for Flight Testing of Engines Critical to AMCA and UCAV​

India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is making strides in indigenous engine development.

The Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) is leading two crucial programs: the Dry Kaveri engine for Unmanned Remotely Piloted Strike Aircraft and a new 110kN engine for the ambitious 5th generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project.

The Challenge of Flight Testing​

While engine development progresses, GTRE faces a major obstacle: the lack of a dedicated flying testbed for critical in-flight trials. Initially, GTRE proposed purchasing a Russian IL-76 Transporter for this purpose, but the plan failed to materialize.

An Innovative Solution​

Demonstrating resourcefulness, GTRE has turned to the Indian Air Force (IAF) for support. They seek to use in-service IL-76 aircraft as flying testbeds for both engine programs.

This would encompass testing the Dry Kaveri, the proposed afterburning Kaveri engine for the LCA-Tejas Mk1A, and the engine designed for the AMCA. Utilizing existing IL-76s offers a practical and cost-effective solution.

Precedent and Strategic Importance​

Discussions between the DRDO and IAF are ongoing, but GTRE's past experience collaborating with Russia's Gromov Flight Research Institute (which modifies Il-76s for engine testing) supports the proposal's feasibility.

This cooperation has strategic significance. India's self-reliance in defence technology relies heavily on successful engine development. Using in-service IL-76s would accelerate GTRE's testing and development timelines.

Optimism and Collaboration​

As GTRE and the IAF discuss the proposal, optimism prevails.

This collaboration showcases India's commitment to self-sufficiency in defence technology, highlighting the nation's ambition to become a leading player in the aerospace industry.

 

[charminar_waale_ismail_bhai]

Do rei IL-76 inn ko.
If you don't invest and take risk, you won't reap any benefits.

 

[sanket]

it should happen Long before Testing Engine in Russia cost more waste of Time it will b easy if IAF agree to IL-76 sharing with GTRE for Testing various Engine From Dry to AMCA 110kN -120kN

 

[sanket]

it should happen Long before Testing Engine in Russia cost more waste of Time it will b easy if IAF agree to IL-76 sharing with GTRE for Testing various Engine From Dry to AMCA 110kN -120kN

without proper testing facility how one can develop Engine........???

 

[Akshat]

Forget FTB. First make an engine that works on ground. Then talk about air. This is just an excuse. They are free to test abroad whenever needed.

 

[NSR]

India can never go far without the acquisition of the following

1. IL-76 type of plane for high altitude flight test. Taking engines to Russia is no longer feasible or trustworthy.
2. Twin engine fighters like SU-30MKI, Mig-29 and Jaguar to flight test its fighter engine models. Even Dry Kaveri engine can be fitted in them and tested on ground runs and simple takeoffs and landings.

Not testing them in real scenarios will not beget India a fighter engine.

 

[Superpower Bharat]

Forget FTB. First make an engine that works on ground. Then talk about air. This is just an excuse. They are free to test abroad whenever needed.

Godrej is making dry Kaveri... performance got from prototype is more than expectation

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

I cant believe a nation which wants to have an engine of his own doesnt have its own flying test bed. Govt. Should create a seperate fund for creating test facilities, labs all over the country, in universities.

 

[Akshat]

Godrej is making dry Kaveri... performance got from prototype is more than expectation

Has anyone said that on record? Anyone other than the liars and cheaters at DRDO. Or has it been cleared for use on anything that flies?

 

[kumar]

And we had people parroting how kaveri failed and Yada Yada. Without even investing in basic test facilities, how can we expect jet engine to be developed.

 

[Akshat]

without proper testing facility how one can develop Engine........???

Who said they don’t have testing facilities? GoI pays for testing abroad. Do they want to test or they want to make excuses?

 

[Akshat]

I cant believe a nation which wants to have an engine of his own doesnt have its own flying test bed. Govt. Should create a seperate fund for creating test facilities, labs all over the country, in universities.

I hats the point of testing facility when there is no engine to test in the first place? Recently it was reported that DRDO made a hypersonic test facility but there was only 1 program and it was lying idle otherwise.

First let there be some work for these facilities. Till then use off the shelf facilities abroad.

 

[పవన్కుమార్]

To Whoever it may concerned . This the right decision for approaching , autheticating and executing solutions to test Indigenous Turbo Jet Engine technologies in Indigenous IAF IL76 aircraft. Congrats for GTRE, DRDO and IAF for saving future crores of investment money of Bhaarath for our prestigious Make in India Initiative regarding Defence Technology of Bhaarath. I humble salute Indian(Bhaarath)Air Force if they really help ourselves regarding our country's future defence projects. Jai Bhaarath.🫡

 

[Amit]

This drama continues...Hope GOI takes congnizance of this and does something...if DRDO cannot test then how can we hope to fly our own engines..too stingy attitude will take us nowhere..Modi Ji please do something here...Rajnath Singh till now have not been able to solve this.

 

[INDIAN]

This shows India as a country how we are , we don't have test bed aircraft for aero engine testing.
We can understand civilian defense officials don't understand its importance but surprisingly why Indian air force is not putting its weight behind DRDO GTRE request for test bed aircraft for aero engine testing.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

This deal is very important keeping in mind India's ambition regarding future engine development. I would prefer going for a used boeing or airbus 4 engine platform. It can be bought easily on open market. IAF has already got very few of these IL76

 

[Mrityunjay Shrivastav]

Who said they don’t have testing facilities? GoI pays for testing abroad. Do they want to test or they want to make excuses?

Lobbyist again
Why France don't take engine to ukraine to test on some antonov or IL76, they could lease some? Why they have airbus testbed for it?

 

[Mrityunjay Shrivastav]

Has anyone said that on record? Anyone other than the liars and cheaters at DRDO. Or has it been cleared for use on anything that flies?

Yes you know more than DRDO and all those press release are fake, are you even indian national? Or you sold your soul to french

 

[Akshat]

Yes you know more than DRDO and all those press release are fake, are you even indian national? Or you sold your soul to french

I am an Indian who wants his country to succeed instead of being a socialist liar.

As for DRDO, CAG, the auditor who is constitutionally mandated to check the work of DRDO, has said on record and submitted in written to our Parliament that DRDO lies about its projects even to MoD, in written files. So forget some press release where no specific information is even mentioned.

 

[Akshat]

Lobbyist again
Why France don't take engine to ukraine to test on some antonov or IL76, they could lease some? Why they have airbus testbed for it?

Because they have a working engine. They actually have more than one working engine. So their government can trust them. In fact, their government doesn’t even provide them with anything. The private companies themselves manage it all. Based on funds from the government and their own revenues.

On the other hand, last time DRDO took the engine to Russia, it ended up blowing the entire plane up.

Socialist sympathizer spotted,