Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

How can they be so stupid?? Must be named and asked to explain. What will happen to your treasury when china attacks with J20s and FC31s??
 
This shows how difficult it is to throw out the anti India import lobby and deep state from the bureaucracy and the armed forces.
 
Rs. 15,000 crores is less than $2 billions and that is a puny amount to develop a 5th generation fighter.
Summarily fire all of those bureaucrats and put in more technocrats with MBAs in those positions.
Deny all retirement benefits to these Gaddars.
 
Great news to start a day with.
India already has 10+ GE F-414INS6 engines so they can use them to fit test in the prototype.

Tejas Mk2 and AMCA should have started from the day Tejas IA FOC got cleared.
Loss of precious time.

Way to go!!!
 
This article is delusional at best, and just reinforces the idea that our DPSU live in their own sweet fantasy world that's detached from reality. "They argue further delays would compromise AMCA's relevance in global technological race" Time to wake up smell the coffee, AMCA is already irrelevant in global technological race. Both KF-21 and KAAN are flying prototypes and in fact KF-21 is way ahead in prototype testing with as many as 5 prototypes flying as of present.

"India risked falling behind....." seriously, our prototype testing for LCA MK2 itself is delayed for 2026 when the prototype is fabricated. Even HAL/ADA don't profess MK2 for being anything more than a low-cost 4-4.5 generation fighter and if they cant surmount challenges in fabricating a prototype for MK2, what makes us believe that they would suddenly succeed in developing a fifth-generation prototype without having any specific expertise in development of di-electric composites. (P.S: for those who claim India is already building composites materials, until recently we were importing composite fabrics and no Carbon Fiber Reinforced Polymer (CFRP) is very different material from di-electric composites)

Time to wakeup and smell the coffee, India is already behind and even the AMCA MK1, which is supposed to be a twin-engine 4-4.5 generation fighter is unlikely to enter service anytime before 2037.

Its obvious why bureaucrat's were skeptical about the viability of project. As demonstrated the timelines have already been deferred and they feared that by the time we may see AMCA it would be obsolete. Which is a fair assessment of the project that increasingly seems to be heading for disaster.
 
shivkumar sinha said:
Officials opposing AMCA must be working on enemy payroll. They are more dangerous than Pannun, Hafez , Masood and Dawood. They must be identified and served the harshest of punishment including secret executions . Bharat should have no place for traitors.
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Those officials do such things on the directions of foreign weapon d@l@ls.
For decades, foreign weapon d@l@ls had access in defence ministry. NDA regime blocked their way to ministry, but still they'll be in contact with several officials.
But still they failed in there objectives and amca program got approval.
 
sanket said:
Metal Cutting, Initial step in manufacturing process has already begun .....................Good News.
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But still many people believe mk1a will arrive after 2027 (already completed), mk2 will arrive 2035 and amca will be a reality in 2050.
Many people are still living in inferiority complex.
 
Dear God if you really exit Jo Jo Officials ye project band karne ke liye koshish kar rahe the i hope uska family ko cancer ki bimari Lage ... 🙏
 
Every time, we need kick in the back for us to wakeup. The same babu are not accountable for spending millions of dollars for fgfa, for which we got zilch in return. And we have some here, advocating that what babus have done is correct. Trying to spread western narratives all in the name of logic. It took other country project for us to wakeup. When will we learn. Strength respects strength. If it was left to babu, we would never have become nuclear weapons state, since it is expensive to develop and maintain nuclear weapons.
 
Need it be mentioned that the amount allocated to the Tejas back in the 1980s, when adjusted to 2023, amount to roughly 1 billion dollars? In contrast, AMCA is taking around 1.8 billion dollars equivalent.

These bureaucrats don't seem to understand the fact that you can't just jump to a sixth generation jet while even a 4.5th generation fighter has still not completed development. Utter morons, these bureaucrats.
 
ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR said:
This article is delusional at best, and just reinforces the idea that our DPSU live in their own sweet fantasy world that's detached from reality. "They argue further delays would compromise AMCA's relevance in global technological race" Time to wake up smell the coffee, AMCA is already irrelevant in global technological race. Both KF-21 and KAAN are flying prototypes and in fact KF-21 is way ahead in prototype testing with as many as 5 prototypes flying as of present.

"India risked falling behind....." seriously, our prototype testing for LCA MK2 itself is delayed for 2026 when the prototype is fabricated. Even HAL/ADA don't profess MK2 for being anything more than a low-cost 4-4.5 generation fighter and if they cant surmount challenges in fabricating a prototype for MK2, what makes us believe that they would suddenly succeed in developing a fifth-generation prototype without having any specific expertise in development of di-electric composites. (P.S: for those who claim India is already building composites materials, until recently we were importing composite fabrics and no Carbon Fiber Reinforced Polymer (CFRP) is very different material from di-electric composites)

Time to wakeup and smell the coffee, India is already behind and even the AMCA MK1, which is supposed to be a twin-engine 4-4.5 generation fighter is unlikely to enter service anytime before 2037.

Its obvious why bureaucrat's were skeptical about the viability of project. As demonstrated the timelines have already been deferred and they feared that by the time we may see AMCA it would be obsolete. Which is a fair assessment of the project that increasingly seems to be heading for disaster.
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KF-21 is anything But 5th gen in its current iteration firstly, Secondly Lockheed is providing extensive consultation to the Koreans. The Kaan at the moment is a glorified RC Model Aircraft at best with at least a decade way from anything "5th gen standard" fruitful. Also Turkiye being a NATO member has been getting extensive consultation from BAE & other western partners. There is a reason it suddenly appeared in the World Defence Exporting Map 5 years back. So India is no way behind & India has a complete different approach in its aircraft development ideology & is also going majorly indigenous way for its program barring the engine for Mk1 & with the technology & supply chain for aircraft manufacturing maturing over the last decade for LCA, things will only get better from here.

Bureaucrats were skeptical ONLY because they are going to miss out the HUGE Kickbacks from current 5th gen manufacturers. Its a Gods blessing that India has such a Nationalist with Hindustan First Policy government at the helm for long term for the first time since its independence
 
I have never seen any other country announcing each and every update to public domain especially with the crucial projects.
 
Are they bringing the money from their houses?? Resource allocation and their reallocation is the primary job of the gov to retain and nourish talent thereby upgrading the technology levels of the society. Is it so complex for their understanding. Beside their is a need to deliver things on time.
 
Ray said:
But still many people believe mk1a will arrive after 2027 (already completed), mk2 will arrive 2035 and amca will be a reality in 2050.
Many people are still living in inferiority complex.
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Instead of writing comments and making announcements, wait till first flight to troll them
 
The IAS system of recruitment needs a serious revamp. They are taking in people who have a great memory, excellent general knowledge, write up ability. They can be good journalists and editors. What our country needs are bureaucrats with good reasoning and fast decision making skills. The travel time of the files should be shorter and faster.
 
Another fake article by DRDO. These officials provided mission mode funding to Rustom, provided 1.5 billion dollars for ISE for Rafale, are providing 90% funding to L&T for FICV, and approved 500% additional budget for various delayed and failed DRDO budgets. They approved AMCA project earlier knowing this cost. IAF chief is giving daily statements on AMCA knowing this cost. They approved 6billion dollars to HAL for FGFA. But they argued about 1.8 billion dollars for this project? Pure non sense. 15 years in designing didn’t delay the project but 11 months in approval made it obsolete?

Fact is, DRDO is a lying and cheating organization. ADA has an embarrassing track record. So checking each and every word of the file became necessary. In a real competitive environment, every single person associated with ADA would have been fired if anything. But MoD gave funds from the emergency reserve for this project. That is why this article, like many others, has no specific names or sources but only vague accusations. GoI must learn narrative building from them.
 
Ray said:
But still many people believe mk1a will arrive after 2027 (already completed), mk2 will arrive 2035 and amca will be a reality in 2050.
Many people are still living in inferiority complex.
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Some people also believed Mk1a will come out on time. Some people also believed mk2 will be rolled out in 2022 as promised by HAL chief. But alas…
 
Vijay Anand said:
I have never seen any other country announcing each and every update to public domain especially with the crucial projects.
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Russia announced it publicly when it sent design sheets of Su57 to manufacturers. So publicity isn’t bad. Problem is, when you publicize it, then meet the deadlines too. That doesn’t happen with these DRDO/DPSU people.
 
Akshat said:
Another fake article by DRDO. These officials provided mission mode funding to Rustom, provided 1.5 billion dollars for ISE for Rafale, are providing 90% funding to L&T for FICV, and approved 500% additional budget for various delayed and failed DRDO budgets. They approved AMCA project earlier knowing this cost. IAF chief is giving daily statements on AMCA knowing this cost. They approved 6billion dollars to HAL for FGFA. But they argued about 1.8 billion dollars for this project? Pure non sense. 15 years in designing didn’t delay the project but 11 months in approval made it obsolete?

Fact is, DRDO is a lying and cheating organization. ADA has an embarrassing track record. So checking each and every word of the file became necessary. In a real competitive environment, every single person associated with ADA would have been fired if anything. But MoD gave funds from the emergency reserve for this project. That is why this article, like many others, has no specific names or sources but only vague accusations. GoI must learn narrative building from them.
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Yes 100% true.... Missing deadlines and giving excuses and then again giving unrealistic timelines has become a habit of these government organisations
 
ryan said:
KF-21 is anything But 5th gen in its current iteration firstly, Secondly Lockheed is providing extensive consultation to the Koreans. The Kaan at the moment is a glorified RC Model Aircraft at best with at least a decade way from anything "5th gen standard" fruitful. Also Turkiye being a NATO member has been getting extensive consultation from BAE & other western partners. There is a reason it suddenly appeared in the World Defence Exporting Map 5 years back. So India is no way behind & India has a complete different approach in its aircraft development ideology & is also going majorly indigenous way for its program barring the engine for Mk1 & with the technology & supply chain for aircraft manufacturing maturing over the last decade for LCA, things will only get better from here.

Bureaucrats were skeptical ONLY because they are going to miss out the HUGE Kickbacks from current 5th gen manufacturers. Its a Gods blessing that India has such a Nationalist with Hindustan First Policy government at the helm for long term for the first time since its independence
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Bro amca mk1 a 4.5 gen aircraft, when it enters production in 2035 will already be obsolete.. it's time to accept the reality
 
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