MMRCA 2.0: India's Next Fighter Jet – News and Discussion

[Anant]

Okay, I propose a twin engine Tejas. It would be better the MRFA.

I propose a seventh generation jet that can manage hypersonic speeds. Just saying something doesn't make it real.

 

[wallisk]

Hmmm 🤔🧐
Would the foreign company like Boeing, Dassault, Eurofighter Consortium(BAE systems, Airbus, RR's, Leonardo, MBDA, and many more), LM, Saab, and Rostec(Sukhoi/Mig) be allowed to own it 100% or need local partnership???...

in my opinion the foreign company who will be winning in MRFA procurement should be allow owning it 100% of the production/manufacturing division to hasten up the process but they need to put Indian executives in it with a 80% Indian work force working in the Indian division.... It is better that going local partnership that might hinder the process of establishing the production/manufacturing company... because of our bureaucracy 😹😹😹 look for example our famous HAL always delayed or scrap it's project LMAO 😹😹😹

GoI says manufacture every single nut bolt and screw in India, a simply IMPOSSIBLE task! UK MB will NEVER give away it's tech's as they are the de facto number one standard ejection seats in the world compared only next to Zvezda of Russia....

 

[wallisk]

What is the name of the fiction? 4th gen to be upgraded to 5th? WOW!! Even a layman knows it is not possible. I will purchase it first when you release your book. 🤣😂

IAF ACM asked for that at the 1st launch of MMRCA2.0 - an article appeared here itself..

 

[Pad UwU]

GoI says manufacture every single nut bolt and screw in India, a simply IMPOSSIBLE task! UK MB will NEVER give away it's tech's as they are the de facto number one standard ejection seats in the world compared only next to Zvezda of Russia....

Nah, why would they answer that they are willing to build plants here or doing JV partnership 🤔🧐.... ie,. Dassault France doing a takeover or might not possible just continue the partnership with our local company.... Give some more credible source instead 😹

 

[abhinav srivastava]

France is the only one who can clear the trials and do this.

They wont give full tech. Either Russia or older US jets like renamed F16 will provide full tech.

 

[abhinav srivastava]

I am still wondering what technology would be gained by MRFA which all planes seem outdated.

You'll get full tech only for outdated jets. No one will give you bleeding edge tech for 100-150 jets. Wait for back door entry of 1970's jets of US. May be they want India to use 1970's jets till 2070's.

 

[wallisk]

Nah, why would they answer that they are willing to build plants here or doing JV partnership 🤔🧐.... ie,. Dassault France doing a takeover or might not possible just continue the partnership with our local company.... Give some more credible source instead 😹

MRO plant DOES NOT mean 100% ToT my dear fella - GoI wants BOTH 100% ToT's AND a 100% manufacturing plant in India...

 

[abhinav srivastava]

Has anyone ever given 80% or more ToT on jet engines?

People use small fish as bait to lay trap for bigger fish.

 

[wallisk]

Pressure doesn't work, only carrots work.

And, Carrot = $50 to $60 BILLIONs of usd deal for just 114 fighter jets.....

 

[Anant]

When did IAF shortlist which plane they want in MRFA to blame MOD?

The RfP can be issued only after the AoN is given. As such, the ball has been in the MoD's court for a very long time.

 

[Anant]

First they need AoN from DAC to issue the RFP.

Isn't it the DPB that issues the AoN rather than the DAC?

 

[Anant]

Brother, abhi tender hi release nehi hua.. MOD ko knock baad main karna

Tender / RfP is issued after the AoN is given by the MoD.

Remember the flow: EoI -> AoN -> RfP -> Bid submission -> Bid evaluation -> DAC final clearance -> Final negotiations -> CCS clearance -> Contract signing.

 

[Anant]

So MRFA is not happening any sooner as nobody will give away 100% rights on a platter for only 126 planes.... with Tejas prodn. struck, going down to 29/30 squardens after retirement of MIGs, we r not able to cross the tendering phase yet.. wow.. this project will find its place in Guinness world records

28 squadrons at most once the MiG-21 bows out, and possibly dropping even further with the impending retirement of DARIN II Jaguars.

 

[Anant]

Better we make F-35 or F-16 block 70/72 aka F-21 or Rafale F-5 under make in India !

For the latter two of those to have any chance of winning MRFA, the MoD needs to issue the AoN.

 

[Anant]

Most delays are because west has infiltrated our procurement system with agents like yourself. They do not have same requirements of domestic. Foreign products though totally unsuitable like terrorist Canadian Stryker are not able to perform on high altitude s, but then they request them to modify engines as to suit, but better Mahindra and Tatas they cannot tell even short commings. Then you want to depend on trojan products. Americans are most untrustworthy.

You do realise that 95% of the delays in Tejas are attributable to domestic reasons, right? The US is not a trustworthy friend beyond a point, sure, but we have far larger problems domestically.

 

[Anant]

De facto shortlisting the 3: F-21/ Rafale/Russian

Boeing wont get any approvals to shift entire F-15EX or even F-18. Americans will hand over F-21 production lines that IAF will junk. Grippen is no go due to Mk2
Leaves Su-57 and Rafale to be realistic...wait and watch...this basically is India, for the first time, arm twisting the vendors instead of getting arm twisted by them. I also think this is India telling France...enough of BS..handover produciton or we are byung Su-57

Boeing might actually agree to shift the F-18 line to India, considering it is at an end. Regardless, I am of the opinion that we should not necessarily go for the F-18.

 

[Akshat]

Isn't it the DPB that issues the AoN rather than the DAC?

There are different segments, based on the budget required. For some DOB can issue AoN. But above a threshold, they pass it on to DAC. And it’s rare that DAC doesn’t approve what DOB sends. This is because there is already an agreement among the officers and only proposals which have been unofficially approved are sent to DAC.

For example, AoN was given by DAC for refuelers and for Prachand.

 

[Akshat]

They wont give full tech. Either Russia or older US jets like renamed F16 will provide full tech.

Before getting the tech, the first requirement is clearing the trials.

 

[abhinav srivastava]

Before getting the tech, the first requirement is clearing the trials.

They may consider previous trials in the interest of time.

 

[abhinav srivastava]

France is the only one who can clear the trials and do this.

They even didn't share MRO tech with anyone.

 

[Akshat]

They even didn't share MRO tech with anyone.

Did we include that in any of the contracts? Please show me when did we ask for it officially.

 

[Akshat]

They may consider previous trials in the interest of time.

I think it has been decided that they will test newer planes and new features of any previous planes which participated in MMRCA. I am not sure if this has been stated officially or not yet.

And if they do use older trials, then F18, F16, MiG 35 and Gripen will out right away. Only Su35, Rafale, EF and F15.

 

[Aayush Pratap]

This circus will go on forever and will ultimately hold the dubious distinction of being the longest open contract in the history of the world that ended up going nowhere. Jai Ho

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

Most delays are because west has infiltrated our procurement system with agents like yourself. They do not have same requirements of domestic. Foreign products though totally unsuitable like terrorist Canadian Stryker are not able to perform on high altitude s, but then they request them to modify engines as to suit, but better Mahindra and Tatas they cannot tell even short commings. Then you want to depend on trojan products. Americans are most untrustworthy.

OH Tell Mr one single project delivered on time. Do u chumps even realize that tge very core definition of a project is its a "Time Bound Endeavor to achive a specificgoal or objective". Emphasis on TIME BOUND. Even the DPSU know there is no way they are going to meet target deadline. Yet tine abd again they take every one on a ride. Promising moon yet not even delivering peanuts. People such as u expect that specifications shoukd be watered down just bcoz we are buying from domestic sector . We'll in weapon design there is no such thing as partial fulfillment of requirements. It's either it meets specifications or it does not . PERIOD.

 

[PKPRS]

i always said every Nut/bolt ready to manufacture company will win MRFA ,But after GE-404 Engine delay drama India should b careful & should not over depend on US.India think two front war if supply chain is not good how to fought war.Not only Fighter jet under MRFA should b manufacture in India But opportunity exist in Exporting this jets to Freindly nation too. India needs Complete Eco-system of Fighter jet & Engine used in that Jet to b manufactured in India.Even some weapons too should b manufactured under License.

In Article F-15Ex & Su-35 is missing whether or not win is next Thing But they 2 are also contenders of MRFA .

So it will be MIG-35, this is how it should have been from the beginning(I am talking about 100%TOT), $10Bln wasted unnecessarily for only 36 Rafale, I don’t think any one will accept 100% TOT, too unrealistic goal, even Russia will only offer 100% TOT only on MIG-35 may be, which is the only jet no Country has bought so far, Russia will be more than willing to transfer 100%Tech, instead of buying MIG-35, we can fit two RD-33MK engines and make ORCA and TEDBF in parallel also.