MMRCA 2.0: India's Next Fighter Jet – News and Discussion

[Raj]

Atleast one private lead integrator needed. So that dependency on Hal will reduce.

 

[Sudha]

I think Gripen may also be able to comply - given that the F414 will be made in India.

Seriously? When US is blackmailing Bharat on F404, how can you trust US on F414 for which only 80% TOT is promised. It seems France has now become the only nation which is reliable even when their products are very costly.

 

[Sudha]

So MRFA is not happening any sooner as nobody will give away 100% rights on a platter for only 126 planes.... with Tejas prodn. struck, going down to 29/30 squardens after retirement of MIGs, we r not able to cross the tendering phase yet.. wow.. this project will find its place in Guinness world records

A new record set by India. 🤣😂

 

[sanket]

Everyone knew that US was very unreliable. Why did HAL took a decision to use F404 engines even when they knew production of which was closing down? A pure failure on the part of HAL management. HAL's management is more responsible for this fiasco.

IAF wanted US Engine,Second it was cheaper than other Engines.One thing India is Experincing is Whether it is Offset clause or Defence/Weapon supply deal Foreign companies Just want to win the contract and do Dily-dally Once they win they make Dance us on there Finger Atmanirbhar is the only way

 

[Sudha]

IAF wanted US Engine,Second it was cheaper than other Engines.One thing India is Experincing is Whether it is Offset clause or Defence/Weapon supply deal Foreign companies Just want to win the contract and do Dily-dally Once they win they make Dance us on there Finger Atmanirbhar is the only way

Do not think so. It was HAL's product from day one. Why blame IAF?

 

[Sudha]

More delays and no AoN? Someone in the MoD needs to receive a knock on their heads.

When did IAF shortlist which plane they want in MRFA to blame MOD?

 

[sanket]

Do not think so. It was HAL's product from day one. Why blame IAF?

Ha Ha it was not HAL product From Day one it was ADA product From Day one after ADA developed Tejas HAL have shown Interest. Actually HAL have denied interest in earlier in Tejas Project Go study First Update your self.

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

I think this is a good approach. Mrfa is obviously needed. Look at russia india discussions about few days ago.its about spares manufacturing in India. So, taking those steps from the very beginning even if it costs more is good.

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

Everyone knew that US was very unreliable. Why did HAL took a decision to use F404 engines even when they knew production of which was closing down? A pure failure on the part of HAL management. HAL's management is more responsible for this fiasco.

You do realise using f404 is a decistion of 1983-2000 era right?

 

[Neal.B]

Leaving no efforts to make sure that MRFA is not coming anytime soon.

 

[Parimal Pandya]

How much possibilities of getting successful to get a indigenous weapons from the disgusting environment for each and every generation growing up with targets for government or private jobs without any other option

 

[Bharat007]

Damn! Russia should have fielded Su-57.

 

[Bharat007]

i always said every Nut/bolt ready to manufacture company will win MRFA ,But after GE-404 Engine delay drama India should b careful & should not over depend on US.India think two front war if supply chain is not good how to fought war.Not only Fighter jet under MRFA should b manufacture in India But opportunity exist in Exporting this jets to Freindly nation too. India needs Complete Eco-system of Fighter jet & Engine used in that Jet to b manufactured in India.Even some weapons too should b manufactured under License.

In Article F-15Ex & Su-35 is missing whether or not win is next Thing But they 2 are also contenders of MRFA .

Exactly. I am more concerned of what US high ranking official said last month. I remember, he said that there is no middle ground in this conflict. Ostensibly it refers to US-Russia cold war 2. US will use everything to end India's neutrality, even threat and blackmail by blocking spare parts supply. US is no stranger to it.

 

[Ranjeet Singh]

Better we make F-35 or F-16 block 70/72 aka F-21 or Rafale F-5 under make in India !

 

[abhinav srivastava]

Forget Rafales then you will only get old tech. Probably some American junk.

 

[Baiju Bhaskaran]

If IAF is serious about MRFA, it is a step in the right direction and may be only Rafales will be able to satisfy it completely.

 

[Sentoki]

Sure....as long as you are just pipe dreaming about MRFA, you can include any stipulations you want! The only one you will likely end agreeing to these terms might be Mig-35.

114 aircrafts is a huge number but not big enough to give away all your know how. Indian MOD & policy makers still have no clue & realistic expectations.

The only way to Aatmanirbharta is doing the hard grunt of your own R&D. It's hard work with a lot of patience but will pay rich dividends in the end.

 

[GMR]

More delays and no AoN? Someone in the MoD needs to receive a knock on their heads.

Brother, abhi tender hi release nehi hua.. MOD ko knock baad main karna

 

[Parimal Pandya]

Culprits have established substandard institutions of higher education system for getting ransom to create scams like IIM p arbindam or Baiju but not credited manpower capable to get indigenous weapons

 

[sanket]

Brother, abhi tender hi release nehi hua.. MOD ko knock baad main karna

Many few can remember what has happen to tender , After 2016 36 Rafale deal , IAF pushed for single Engine Fighter jet Tender Then after waster valueable time they started MRFA Process with inclusion of Twin Engine Figter jet & allowing Su-35 to take part in the MRFA.IAF itself not knowing what is there Requirement is Only Two have shown interest in Single Engine tender Gripen & F-16,

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

Oh dear! The MOD seems to be high on drugs, if they think they can enforce such ridiculous terms. No such thing as total tech transfer in the world of defense and unless u either buy out OEM, you are not going to have total control of designs.

No OEM will part with IP on critical components design and manufacturing, as doing so jeopardizes not just future business, but also integrity and confidentiality of classified data.

 

[Naveen Bijoy]

Only LM F-21 and Boeing F/A-18 and F-15EX was willing to manufacture all of their fighters in India with an Indian partner.
Rostec and HAL tie-up was a disaster for India.

Do not hold your breath about MRFA at all.

Go full steam ahead with Tejas IA productions and Tejas Mk2 developments.
Bring in private players to put competition on HAL or else it will keep going with its lackadaisical attitudes.

No vision or planning and execution on parts of IAF, MoD, GoI, and above all HAL.

U must be joking , after seeing HAL production rate , Tejas MK 1 A is being delayed .
@16 flights production per year , when can u have the full squadron ready

 

[मित्र]

Damn! Russia should have fielded Su-57.

It seems to be a renewed tender, may require fresh bids.

 

[Naveen Bijoy]

September 2024 deadline will decide the Reliability of US ,dont trust US already 220 Tejas are dependent on US engine,another 108 Tejas MK2 Followed by TEDBF 100 Jets & 40 AMCA MK1 . All this plus add to that 114 from MRFA Almost 600 Fighter jet have to depend on US . its over dependency i again think India should go with European Fighter jet Either Rafale or Eurofighter But Rafale being Single Nation & already finding place in IN & Airforce it is ultimate choice question is will Dassault ready to manufacture in India & atleast 60 to 65% ToT.& Meteor system ToT under License production to India.

Dassault and French are playing dirty games.
Btw cost of Rafale is more , should go with Gripen or HAL should offload production of Tejas to some private players.

 

[Anurag]

Everyone knew that US was very unreliable. Why did HAL took a decision to use F404 engines even when they knew production of which was closing down? A pure failure on the part of HAL management. HAL's management is more responsible for this fiasco.

HAL is not responsible why always put the blame on them!! They are incompetent organization for sure and have poor work culture but still they didn't choose the Ge engines they won by L1 supplier and deal was signed through gov to gov HAL has no role in it!!

 

[Anurag]

Do not think so. It was HAL's product from day one. Why blame IAF?

I don't know why this all blame game put back between IAF and HAL??
Both serves to the MoD

 

[Anurag]

When did IAF shortlist which plane they want in MRFA to blame MOD?

When AoN is released then the process of tender will start and then the option to evaluate fighter jet by the IAF will be open how IAF can select any fighter when tender is not out their in the first place surely MoD is more responsible in jeopardize national security. Bureaucracy of these babus are just so poor!!

 

[SK]

I don't understand why Indian-Govt & Military thinks that any sensible Nation will share their Strategic Military technology with another Non-allied Nation?

 

[Rudra]

Good! Now we should have the planes by the year 2100.

 

[Arz786]

1) No aircraft OEM makes the entire aircraft. For example, Boeing or Lockheed does not make engines, avionics, landing gear etc. If India is looking for a comprehensive aircraft manufacturing footprint with all systems, sub-systems included, it should ask for consortiums to bid.
2) Since such consortium formation in private sector is difficult, it will be have to be implemented through a Govt to Govt deal. The foreign government should have enough influence over its industries to make them form consortiums to set up such manufacturing footprint in India. France can ask Dassault+ Thales+ MBDA to form such consortium (Rafale), USA can ask Boeing/ Lockheed+ GE/ Pratt & Whitney+ Northrop Grumman+ Raytheon/ Collins to form such consortium ( F-15) etc.
3) This will increase cost and price of the aircraft significantly ( read 2x) because manufacturing footprints will be set up without economy of scale.
4) Therefore, the GOI may ask for final assembly of the aircrafts in India with certain key technologies Indianized. That formulation ( list of technologies that it would ask for indigenization) is to be seen.