MMRCA 2.0: India's Next Fighter Jet – News and Discussion

[Anant]

I think Gripen may also be able to comply - given that the F414 will be made in India.

Um, the Gripen is powered by a F404 derivative.

 

[Sudha]

IAF don't have concrete plan. Blindly purchased 272 su 30mki's, to upgrade su 30mki's will cost same as new one. even today they don't have proper 5th gen fighter plan. Best way to fill the gap is to purchase another 36 rafales. All other 4th gen jet testing is waste of time.

IAF is to blame for SU30MKI? It was a decision of the government of those times & other foreign OEMs weren't falling one over the other to produce their aircrafts in Bharat. An irrelevant comment.

 

[GMR]

So MRFA is not happening any sooner as nobody will give away 100% rights on a platter for only 126 planes.... with Tejas prodn. struck, going down to 29/30 squardens after retirement of MIGs, we r not able to cross the tendering phase yet.. wow.. this project will find its place in Guinness world records

 

[Sudha]

September 2024 deadline will decide the Reliability of US ,dont trust US already 220 Tejas are dependent on US engine,another 108 Tejas MK2 Followed by TEDBF 100 Jets & 40 AMCA MK1 . All this plus add to that 114 from MRFA Almost 600 Fighter jet have to depend on US . its over dependency i again think India should go with European Fighter jet Either Rafale or Eurofighter But Rafale being Single Nation & already finding place in IN & Airforce it is ultimate choice question is will Dassault ready to manufacture in India & atleast 60 to 65% ToT.& Meteor system ToT under License production to India.

Everyone knew that US was very unreliable. Why did HAL took a decision to use F404 engines even when they knew production of which was closing down? A pure failure on the part of HAL management. HAL's management is more responsible for this fiasco.

 

[MANIVANNAN N]

Good idea. Execution and overseeing tough. Co require further orders also. Gurantee needed.

 

[Raj]

Atleast one private lead integrator needed. So that dependency on Hal will reduce.

 

[Sudha]

I think Gripen may also be able to comply - given that the F414 will be made in India.

Seriously? When US is blackmailing Bharat on F404, how can you trust US on F414 for which only 80% TOT is promised. It seems France has now become the only nation which is reliable even when their products are very costly.

 

[Sudha]

So MRFA is not happening any sooner as nobody will give away 100% rights on a platter for only 126 planes.... with Tejas prodn. struck, going down to 29/30 squardens after retirement of MIGs, we r not able to cross the tendering phase yet.. wow.. this project will find its place in Guinness world records

A new record set by India. 🤣😂

 

[sanket]

Everyone knew that US was very unreliable. Why did HAL took a decision to use F404 engines even when they knew production of which was closing down? A pure failure on the part of HAL management. HAL's management is more responsible for this fiasco.

IAF wanted US Engine,Second it was cheaper than other Engines.One thing India is Experincing is Whether it is Offset clause or Defence/Weapon supply deal Foreign companies Just want to win the contract and do Dily-dally Once they win they make Dance us on there Finger Atmanirbhar is the only way

 

[Sudha]

IAF wanted US Engine,Second it was cheaper than other Engines.One thing India is Experincing is Whether it is Offset clause or Defence/Weapon supply deal Foreign companies Just want to win the contract and do Dily-dally Once they win they make Dance us on there Finger Atmanirbhar is the only way

Do not think so. It was HAL's product from day one. Why blame IAF?

 

[Sudha]

More delays and no AoN? Someone in the MoD needs to receive a knock on their heads.

When did IAF shortlist which plane they want in MRFA to blame MOD?

 

[sanket]

Do not think so. It was HAL's product from day one. Why blame IAF?

Ha Ha it was not HAL product From Day one it was ADA product From Day one after ADA developed Tejas HAL have shown Interest. Actually HAL have denied interest in earlier in Tejas Project Go study First Update your self.

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

I think this is a good approach. Mrfa is obviously needed. Look at russia india discussions about few days ago.its about spares manufacturing in India. So, taking those steps from the very beginning even if it costs more is good.

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

Everyone knew that US was very unreliable. Why did HAL took a decision to use F404 engines even when they knew production of which was closing down? A pure failure on the part of HAL management. HAL's management is more responsible for this fiasco.

You do realise using f404 is a decistion of 1983-2000 era right?

 

[Neal.B]

Leaving no efforts to make sure that MRFA is not coming anytime soon.

 

[Parimal Pandya]

How much possibilities of getting successful to get a indigenous weapons from the disgusting environment for each and every generation growing up with targets for government or private jobs without any other option

 

[Bharat007]

Damn! Russia should have fielded Su-57.

 

[Bharat007]

i always said every Nut/bolt ready to manufacture company will win MRFA ,But after GE-404 Engine delay drama India should b careful & should not over depend on US.India think two front war if supply chain is not good how to fought war.Not only Fighter jet under MRFA should b manufacture in India But opportunity exist in Exporting this jets to Freindly nation too. India needs Complete Eco-system of Fighter jet & Engine used in that Jet to b manufactured in India.Even some weapons too should b manufactured under License.

In Article F-15Ex & Su-35 is missing whether or not win is next Thing But they 2 are also contenders of MRFA .

Exactly. I am more concerned of what US high ranking official said last month. I remember, he said that there is no middle ground in this conflict. Ostensibly it refers to US-Russia cold war 2. US will use everything to end India's neutrality, even threat and blackmail by blocking spare parts supply. US is no stranger to it.

 

[Ranjeet Singh]

Better we make F-35 or F-16 block 70/72 aka F-21 or Rafale F-5 under make in India !

 

[abhinav srivastava]

Forget Rafales then you will only get old tech. Probably some American junk.

 

[Baiju Bhaskaran]

If IAF is serious about MRFA, it is a step in the right direction and may be only Rafales will be able to satisfy it completely.

 

[Sentoki]

Sure....as long as you are just pipe dreaming about MRFA, you can include any stipulations you want! The only one you will likely end agreeing to these terms might be Mig-35.

114 aircrafts is a huge number but not big enough to give away all your know how. Indian MOD & policy makers still have no clue & realistic expectations.

The only way to Aatmanirbharta is doing the hard grunt of your own R&D. It's hard work with a lot of patience but will pay rich dividends in the end.

 

[GMR]

More delays and no AoN? Someone in the MoD needs to receive a knock on their heads.

Brother, abhi tender hi release nehi hua.. MOD ko knock baad main karna

 

[Parimal Pandya]

Culprits have established substandard institutions of higher education system for getting ransom to create scams like IIM p arbindam or Baiju but not credited manpower capable to get indigenous weapons

 

[sanket]

Brother, abhi tender hi release nehi hua.. MOD ko knock baad main karna

Many few can remember what has happen to tender , After 2016 36 Rafale deal , IAF pushed for single Engine Fighter jet Tender Then after waster valueable time they started MRFA Process with inclusion of Twin Engine Figter jet & allowing Su-35 to take part in the MRFA.IAF itself not knowing what is there Requirement is Only Two have shown interest in Single Engine tender Gripen & F-16,