Analysis Why IAF Not Upgrading Its Mirage-2000 Fleet like Su-30MKI? Dassault’s Reluctance and Cost Constraints Main Factors

Why IAF Not Upgrading Its Mirage-2000 Fleet like Su-30MKI? Dassault’s Reluctance and Cost Constraints Main Factors


The Dassault Mirage-2000, a highly respected and proven combat aircraft in the Indian Air Force (IAF) since its induction in 1985, is facing an uncertain future.

Despite its celebrated service history, including pivotal roles in the 1999 Kargil War and the 2019 Balakot airstrike, the fleet of around 50 aircraft, known as 'Vajra' in India, is not receiving the advanced weaponry being integrated onto other frontline jets, raising questions about its role in the nation's future air defence strategy.

A significant capabilities gap is emerging when comparing the Mirage-2000 with the IAF's primary air superiority fighter, the Sukhoi Su-30MKI.

While the Su-30MKI fleet is being upgraded with modern indigenous missiles like the Astra series and advanced Israeli systems such as the Python-5, the Mirage-2000 continues to operate with older French armaments.

Its primary long-range weapon is the MBDA MICA missile, which is now being surpassed by newer technologies. For close-range combat, it still relies on the Matra R550 Magic-II, a weapon from the 1970s that lacks the advanced features of modern missiles.

This disparity extends to air-to-ground capabilities.

The Su-30MKI is being adapted to carry a formidable array of munitions, including the Indo-Russian BrahMos supersonic cruise missile. It is also slated to be integrated with indigenous weapons like the Rudram anti-radiation missiles, designed to neutralise enemy air defence radars, and the Smart Anti-Airfield Weapon (SAAW).

In contrast, there are no confirmed plans to equip the Mirage-2000 with these modern Indian systems, leaving it to rely on older munitions like laser-guided bombs.

One of the primary factors behind this decision is the high cost associated with such upgrades and a shift in manufacturer focus. Integrating a new missile system is a complex and expensive process, requiring deep modifications to the aircraft's fire-control radar, software, and hardware, followed by extensive validation trials.

Furthermore, the original manufacturer, Dassault Aviation, is now prioritising its newer Rafale fighter. While a next-generation MICA missile (MICA-NG) is in development, there is no official confirmation that the IAF will procure it for its aging Mirage fleet.

The Indian Air Force's decision-making also appears to be guided by a broader strategic shift towards modernising its larger fleets and investing in future platforms. With over 270 aircraft, the Su-30MKI forms the numerical backbone of the IAF, making its continuous upgrade essential for maintaining combat readiness.

Resources are also being allocated to the newly inducted Rafale jets, the domestically produced Tejas Mk-1A, and the development of the futuristic Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

In this context, undertaking a costly weapons upgrade for the smaller, decades-old Mirage-2000 fleet is seen as a lower priority.

Consequently, despite a mid-life upgrade a decade ago that improved its avionics and radar, the Mirage-2000's operational relevance is diminishing without access to modern weaponry.

While the aircraft remains a potent platform, its inability to carry longer-range missiles and advanced smart bombs could see it relegated to secondary roles.

This decision highlights a strategic choice to invest in the IAF's workhorse Su-30MKI fleet and next-generation aircraft, even if it means bypassing an opportunity to modernise a historically significant fighter with indigenous weapons under the 'Atmanirbhar Bharat' self-reliance initiative.
 
It's 1990s tech, put it for precision ground in mountains as it did good in Kargil, put some new Isralie and French munition and leave it there.Air to air, see Russian jet or some new one.
 
Air to air combat now is a complicated situation as all are in their comfort zone of 200km due to to long range SAMs and BVRMs so buy new ones with right software and missiles, but yes ,if old Mirage are there with 5 years life in airframes , get them as they do very good ,hitting Sangars and other stuff in mountains. 40 more mirages means , full LOC is permanently covered against troops concentration and artillery postions , as it has standoff weapons to do so .
 
India must upgrade Mirage-2000 after all Macron is friend of India ! Even more we expect France to help India to buy Qatari and UAE Mirage-2000 fighter jets to be used till 2040 ! Tejas are not coming in required numbers we must upgrade and buy Mirage-2000 form different air forces !
 
The M88 engine doesn't have nearly enough thrust.
The M88 has the potential to increase its thrust, but the "peace dividend" and the failed attempts to export the Rafale before the Indian and Egyptian contracts put an end to the M88 modernization program. Now they are again proposing to increase its thrust by 20%.
 
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France would like to sell new planes rather upgrading mirage, to earn more money. France did not give code to India, shows will not transfer it's technolgy to India. Better india make amca and engine with Russia. Do not depend upon US and EU for fighter engines. Ru
 
The M2K, has been upgraded already to bring it to the dash 5 standards. The Mica integration was one part of it. Magic II missiles are not used any more. There is no further upgrade potential because the engine will not generate enough electrical power for newer avionics and weapon systems. There is also increasing difficulty in procuring spares. It was a brilliant air plane in its time but now it will have to slowly move to second line ops. That is how the cycle goes.
 
The M2K, has been upgraded already to bring it to the dash 5 standards. The Mica integration was one part of it. Magic II missiles are not used any more. There is no further upgrade potential because the engine will not generate enough electrical power for newer avionics and weapon systems. There is also increasing difficulty in procuring spares. It was a brilliant air plane in its time but now it will have to slowly move to second line ops. That is how the cycle goes.
I had hoped that the GTRE would use the M53 as the basis for a 110kN engine, but it was not to be.
 
Firstly at present Mirage 2000 95KN engine giving 155 KN Thrust with my tech involved. The same engine can give 200KN Thrust atleast. Secondly Mirage RDY3 radar can be upgraded as Disruptive AESA as already given. So also 12+2=14 Bit Tarang RWR can help fire any missile as improved with my RF Dispenser tech. It can act as a jammer too. DRDO have to improve TARANG RWR to 16 Bit from 12 Bit with my RF Dispenser 3 Bit extra to make it 19 Bits for highly effective RWR and Jammer and can fire any kind of missile say ASTRA 3.
 
No, Rafale's M-88 is smaller and much less powerful than Mirage-2000's M-53.

With the radar and weapons (but still M-53 engine), it would be dynamite however.
The M88 is lighter, more compact and much more fuel efficient than the M53, with the potential to increase thrust by 20-30%. Dassault made an ill-considered move when it discontinued the Mirage 2000 production instead of upgrading it to the new standard. The Safran M88 has a longer engine life than the SNECMA M53 and lower infrared signature. Competitors from Lockheed-Martin and SAAB made modern and relevant F-16V and Gripen E, while Dassault lost the chance to give the Mirage 2000 a second life and market share in single-engine fighters.
 
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Miraj 2000 were inducted in the Indian Air Force in 1980s. They have served us well. But the time has come to say good bye. Dassault Aviation has not shared its source code with us. So it's not possible for us to integrate our other missiles with this platform. Buying newer missile and avionics etc for this is aircraft from France is very very costly.

IMHO, India should sell these aircrafts and put that money into new Tejas factories. Unfortunately we are already short of fighter aircraft. Also these aircraft can be used as training platform for pilots.

IAF is right to prioritise Su-30 and Rafael over Mirage. Unfortunately, the recent skirmishes with Pak have shown our vulnerability against long range missiles. We need to develop or procure hypersonic BVRs with more than 150-200 kms range. And if Mirages can't be fitted with such missiles due to French problems, then be it. They is no point keeping these aircraft. Because in the absence of such long range BVRs, Mirage cannot be used as multi role aircraft. It's best used would be for dropping those ladies guided bombs in an "Air favourable situation" under the protection of Su-30s.
 
Miraj 2000 were inducted in the Indian Air Force in 1980s. They have served us well. But the time has come to say good bye. Dassault Aviation has not shared its source code with us. So it's not possible for us to integrate our other missiles with this platform. Buying newer missile and avionics etc for this is aircraft from France is very very costly.

IMHO, India should sell these aircrafts and put that money into new Tejas factories. Unfortunately we are already short of fighter aircraft. Also these aircraft can be used as training platform for pilots.

IAF is right to prioritise Su-30 and Rafael over Mirage. Unfortunately, the recent skirmishes with Pak have shown our vulnerability against long range missiles. We need to develop or procure hypersonic BVRs with more than 150-200 kms range. And if Mirages can't be fitted with such missiles due to French problems, then be it. They is no point keeping these aircraft. Because in the absence of such long range BVRs, Mirage cannot be used as multi role aircraft. It's best used would be for dropping those ladies guided bombs in an "Air favourable situation" under the protection of Su-30s.
Please, let us not base our warfighting thought process on what happened in Op Sindoor. This was a 90 hours high tech war. Focus was purely on mostly war in the air and limited extremely precision attacks on ground with really high tech weapons. In a longer war, the Army would get involved, and many other less prominent targets would be there. Our limited number of high capability Rafales and SU-30 MKI would be required for expanding the air dominance envelope. However, there would be hundreds of other targets that have to be taken out for the Army to operate efficiently. That is where, the legacy platforms and other less capable platforms would find their tasks under the AD umbrella of the big boys.

So, with current numbers, there is no question that the M2K is an important cog, even though it is long in the tooth.
 
Please, let us not base our warfighting thought process on what happened in Op Sindoor. This was a 90 hours high tech war. Focus was purely on mostly war in the air and limited extremely precision attacks on ground with really high tech weapons. In a longer war, the Army would get involved, and many other less prominent targets would be there. Our limited number of high capability Rafales and SU-30 MKI would be required for expanding the air dominance envelope. However, there would be hundreds of other targets that have to be taken out for the Army to operate efficiently. That is where, the legacy platforms and other less capable platforms would find their tasks under the AD umbrella of the big boys.

So, with current numbers, there is no question that the M2K is an important cog, even though it is long in the tooth.
And that's exactly I said. Mirages with low range missiles can't be used for AD purpose. Only for ground attack under the protection of Su 30s. So AD role is gone, and the tag of "multi role fighter" goes away with it. It can't defend itself against P 15 and other such missiles in today's warfare.
A fighter aircraft without AD facility is not a fighter aircraft.
 
Wevshould keep away from western/israeli weapons/defence equipment.
For some reason, even China still imitates Western technology (J-35; UH-60, MV-75 and SB-1 clones). Israeli weapons have shown good results in confrontation with Arabs and Iran, why abandon them?
 
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And that's exactly I said. Mirages with low range missiles can't be used for AD purpose. Only for ground attack under the protection of Su 30s. So AD role is gone, and the tag of "multi role fighter" goes away with it. It can't defend itself against P 15 and other such missiles in today's warfare.
A fighter aircraft without AD facility is not a fighter aircraft.
One does not decide role nomenclature based on age. If it was a multirole fighter before it remains that till retirement. Second, we make the mistake of thinking, every platform of ours must be competitive against the enemy's best. Otherwise it is not a fighter.

By that yard stick, if hypothetically we were to fight the US, since none of our ac can match the F-22, Raptor in AD, should we say India, dies not have any fighters?? In that case India should simply surrender, because we won't have fighters.
 
Firstly at present Mirage 2000 95KN engine giving 155 KN Thrust with my tech involved. The same engine can give 200KN Thrust atleast. Secondly Mirage RDY3 radar can be upgraded as Disruptive AESA as already given. So also 12+2=14 Bit Tarang RWR can help fire any missile as improved with my RF Dispenser tech. It can act as a jammer too. DRDO have to improve TARANG RWR to 16 Bit from 12 Bit with my RF Dispenser 3 Bit extra to make it 19 Bits for highly effective RWR and Jammer and can fire any kind of missile say ASTRA 3.
There is no way that the M53 could possibly deliver 155kN of thrust. It doesn't have the necessary inlet diameter and it is a single shaft design. The airframe wouldn't be able to deliver the necessary airflow anyway.
European engines usually have a 2/3-1/3 thrust ratio. Bumping the dry thrust to 70kN is probably achievable. That would raise the afterburner thrust to 105kN.
 
There is no way that the M53 could possibly deliver 155kN of thrust. It doesn't have the necessary inlet diameter and it is a single shaft design. The airframe wouldn't be able to deliver the necessary airflow anyway.
European engines usually have a 2/3-1/3 thrust ratio. Bumping the dry thrust to 70kN is probably achievable. That would raise the afterburner thrust to 105kN.
Completely agree with you. Hell, if the M53 was delivering that kind of thrust ( 155 KN), we should have bought a couple of 1000 of them and used them for Tejas, DBTEF, AMCA. Use it for MKI upgrades also. 😄 🤣
 

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