Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion
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Mk2 funding(approval) was delayed by goi.
When there are problems in the system, buck stops at government to give the needed push. Otherwise, we will be running around in circles because nobody will be ready to take risks where huge finances are involved. If required, we need to cut foreign aid for a year and put money where our mouth is.
What has HAL got to do with AMCA r&d.
Let amca get approved first. The way decision making is done by entire system as a whole, I don't think AMCA will run parallel to tejas.
Amca requires separate funding. It takes lot of money to build and optimise prototypes. Mk2 prototyping itself was kept pending for want of approval.
They can do the exact same thing and stealth fighters are only useful in carry out stealth attacks in the early stages of a war as after that they lose their value and become similar to a 4.5th generation jet.
When private companies with billions of dollars are not coming forward for SPV because they dont want to take risks, we should have gone with PPP model like south Koreans. Atleast we could have started building prototypes. But then, our entire system as a whole have a tendency to take delayed decision. We are Indians only.
IAF and armed forces only want foreign maal...HAL/DRDO are slow and typical babu mentality and government doesn't want to spend money plus outside forces and groups wants to disrupt the local industry so I do not have much hope honestly to see AMCA in next 10 years...see it took 10 years and till now no LCA MK2.
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I won't expect it's GOI is expecting..... Main reason for delay
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Only left-hand drive major GDP countries are progressing with producing home-grown fifth gen fighters for now. India, Britain and Japan have programs in the works but not yet in any frutition yet.
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Tempest programme UK Japan Italy is for 6th gen.
Those countries don't need 5th gen as they are buying F 35.
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What is stopping us from getting project consultants from BAe RR etc.
In fact AMCA project should not have even started without these external consultants.
In fact AMCA project should not have even started without these external consultants.
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The only Tier 1 foreign partner for the F35 is BAe.
Both BAe and RR offered to act as conultants. Had we roped them in 2010.
I am sure AMCA would now be flying.
I fear AMCA is going to die a slow death.
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Turkey has very limited access to advanced Western tech. They were NOT even a Partner re F 35 programme.
Everyone is making excuses for DRDO etc fukkk up.
Everyone is making excuses for DRDO etc fukkk up.
No this was during the recent border skirmish when they were flying combat ready air patrols with ready to fire weapons. Also their engine still emit IR heat discharge which makes it easier to track them. The Chinese norm is to overstate their military true capabilities and weapons but they have all underperformed, it’s defective, unreliable, faulty etc. Every country who bought weapons or technology like submarines, frigates, tanks, fighter jets etc all countries have complained about it including Pakistan.
Yes, by 6 months at the least.
The funding hasn’t been delayed because we still have to complete financial negotiations with GE for the F414 engine and without it how can they make a jet without an engine. All funding has been allocated ASAP so there won’t be any problems as soon as the deal is signed.
No it’s not the government as they have cleared the technology requirements but can’t manufacture which will continue
The problem is that it will be too expensive to use them as consultants but you never get a complete indigenous jet or technology as they will always try and including their own equipment and technology
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No, they are still relevant alright. In cases where you have a contested airspace, the main advantage you would have from stealth fighters would be for them to act as a networking point to guide munitions and the like launched from non-stealth fighters.
Do consider that this is part of US doctrine: The F-35 has limited internal weapons capacity. Hence, a bunch of 4.5th generation aircraft would launch weapons from stand-off ranges (where the danger to them would be lesser) and the F-35 would then act as a networking hub to lead those munitions closer to the target, ultimately ceding control to the weapons' own internal guidance systems.
Most wars have a contested airspace. Look no further than Russia's abortive invasion of Ukraine. In such scenarios, assuming that your 5th generation aircraft have a relatively low chance of being detected, they would act as excellent munitions networking and guiding hubs in contested airspace and save you the potential loss of a bunch of 4.5th generation and older aircraft.
India already has 10+ GE F414 engines in inventory.
These are 80% TOT and local manufacturing negotiations.
We have gef414 engines for r&d. What was not done, was deal for local production of f414 engines which was concluded later.
They aren’t AWACS so other than guiding our other jets to them with GPS, Navic or radar then they have to fight as a normal 4.5th generation fighter with the rest of them but they will still face the same threats from SAM and A2A missiles.
Go away and have a chat with Akshat, etc
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IAF and HAL Close to Finalizing Deal with GE Aerospace for F414 Engine: Advancing LCA Mk2 and AMCA Programs
An agreement is close to being finalised between the Indian Air Force (IAF) and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) with GE Aerospace Defence & Systems for the F414 engine. This development marks a significant advancement for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk2 and Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) initiatives.
Last month, GE President Amy Gowder provided an update on the deal, mentioning that a comprehensive technical proposal will be sent to HAL shortly. An agreement outlining component specifications and costs is anticipated to be finalised before summer, setting the stage for engine production.
Deliveries are expected to be completed within three years, based on the needs of IAF and DRDO. The agreement, worth close to $1 billion, involves a remarkable 80% technology transfer, covering hot-end coating, crystal blades, and laser drilling technology for the F414 engines.
These engines are set to be used in both the Mk2 version of the LCA and the initial batches of the AMCA. This represents a notable improvement over the existing GE F404 engines utilised in the LCA Mk1A and previous LCA versions.
The agreement enhances India’s domestic fighter jet initiatives and cements its important partnership with the US. The transfer of technology is expected to augment India's aerospace proficiencies and maybe facilitate forthcoming partnerships.
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