Lockheed Martin Bets on F-21 for India's $20 Billion MMRCA Deal, As F-35A Incompatibile to Indian Current Systems

[Akshat]

First, the F-21 is not enough to fight against the PLAAF. Americans spare no effort to promote the F-21 to India, most likely because Americans want to keep the production line of the F-16, which is helpful to their employment and weapons production capacity.
Second, referring to the British F-35, the United States needs to provide the source code for launching missiles, but they refused. Britain is the closest ally of the United States, without a doubt. Britain cannot freely control the F-35, let alone India. If India buys the F-35, the result is that as long as the Americans do not agree, Indians cannot launch missiles, or even take off.
Third, American weapons are too expensive. The unit price of the F-35 sold to Japan exceeds $200 million, and since India is not a treaty ally of the United States, this price may be even higher.
Fourthly, the current F-35 production capacity of the United States is only about 130 aircraft, half of which need to be given to NATO allies. Even if India buys the F-35, the United States does not have enough production capacity, so India's acquisition of the F-35 will be very late, possibly after 2035.
Fifth, India is currently unable to develop the fifth generation fighter by itself. The American technology is advanced, but unreliable and very expensive. A relatively stable source of technology is likely to be Russia.

Bhai such great points throughout the comment, but then you lit it all on fire with that last word. Russia simply doesn’t have the tech and don’t want to share it either. We have already seen it all.

 

[Akshat]

Here goes dreams of all f35 supporters, now go and procure f35, as for reality Rafael and su 57 are the only options

And IAF doesn’t want Su57 under any circumstances.

 

[avinash]

F16 Blk72 is 10 times more potent and still deadlier than Tejas MK1A jets....

Show any detailed study or research or self analysis? How its 10 times potent and "still" deadlier than tejas mk1A? I would argue that tejas mk1A with Astra is 10 times more potent and deadlier than f16blk72.

 

[kurtwallis wallis]

Show any detailed study or research or self analysis? How its 10 times potent and "still" deadlier than tejas mk1A? I would argue that tejas mk1A with Astra is 10 times more potent and deadlier than f16blk72.

MK1A DOES NOT have any MAWS or integrated with AESA radars EW SPJ suite, or even an IRST - the very basic equipments to win BVR air battles! Astra1 is having only 110 kms range and AIM174B of USAF is now having 400+ kms kill ranges. F16 now comes with RCS reducing paints and an improved engine also! Still no any GE engines or electronic engine starter component part for MK1A's are available! MK1A Using 1990's tech's of Elta EL/M 2052 radars which are already in JF17 jets by now... F21 will come with F35A GaN AESA radars, is what they are saying at LM. Still now after 40+ years even Tejas cannot fire its guns while in flight due to non-compliance issues!

 

[Sandeep]

First, the F-21 is not enough to fight against the PLAAF. Americans spare no effort to promote the F-21 to India, most likely because Americans want to keep the production line of the F-16, which is helpful to their employment and weapons production capacity.
Second, referring to the British F-35, the United States needs to provide the source code for launching missiles, but they refused. Britain is the closest ally of the United States, without a doubt. Britain cannot freely control the F-35, let alone India. If India buys the F-35, the result is that as long as the Americans do not agree, Indians cannot launch missiles, or even take off.
Third, American weapons are too expensive. The unit price of the F-35 sold to Japan exceeds $200 million, and since India is not a treaty ally of the United States, this price may be even higher.
Fourthly, the current F-35 production capacity of the United States is only about 130 aircraft, half of which need to be given to NATO allies. Even if India buys the F-35, the United States does not have enough production capacity, so India's acquisition of the F-35 will be very late, possibly after 2035.
Fifth, India is currently unable to develop the fifth generation fighter by itself. The American technology is advanced, but unreliable and very expensive. A relatively stable source of technology is likely to be Russia.

What rubbish! India is currently developing its own 5th generation jet by itself. It has now moved to the manufacturing stage of the prototypes so the technology and capabilities are there. Also you love the Chinese but don’t realise that their jets aren’t proper stealth jets at all. India could clearly see them by using their 20yr old infrared on the Sukhoi jets. Also their technology isn’t as good as they say and can’t do everything that they do say. Their litany of failures and problems range from the junk fighter, naval ships and submarine with massive engine failures etc.

 

[Anant]

which are other 5 nations ...................??? & from whom u want 5.5 Gen Certificate ..................???? second does F-21 Exist ..............??? Not Even prototype of F-21 have been Built by LM For Evaluation in MRFA

The five other nations are the USA, Russia, China (arguable, but still), South Korea, and Turkey. If those, the latter two only have prototypes so far, and the KF-21 as of today is more of a "5-"th generation aircraft. However, once they have the next block of the KF-21 flying later this decade, they'll join that club. Turkey is in a similar position. As for China, their aircraft may not be as stealthy as the others, but it still does meet practically all criteria for a fifth generation aircraft.

Now, as for that 5.5th generation thing. That will become a reality when we actually have 6th generation aircraft flying or atleast firmly conceptualised, since you can only then have a bridge like the 5.5th generation. Do remember that this 4.5th generation term did not come up until after the first fifth generation aircraft flew.

Finally, I'll believe AMCA is a 5.5th generation fighter when someone actually credible to make that statement does, and has some objective proof to go along. Otherwise, anyone can call it anything.

Finally, I am not trying to be a F-21 / F-16V salesman. You are correct in that the F-21 doesn't technically exist, but to give credit where it is due, the US is far closer to having a hypothetical F-21 flying than we have AMCA.

 

[Anant]

Ha Ha Ha oh Then why Contender of MRFA like Euro-Fighter ,Su-35 are Bidding ,again after going production Line idle for Su-30 too Bharat is ordering additional Su-30 MKI Nice Logic from U

You do realise that both the Eurofighter Typhoon and Su-35 are still in production, right? Both those types also have orders that will keep the lines going for a fair while still.

Coming to the Su-30MKI, we never had a true production line for the type. What we had was more of an assembly and partial production line, which is generally far cheaper to start back up.

Finally, the reason I specifically mentioned the F-18 is because the production line has already been winding down for a few years now, and some of the former F-18 lines are now manufacturing F-15EXs. Unless MRFA gets finalised in the next few months, and unless the F-18 wins that by some miracle (not that it should, there are better alternatives), the production line will not be able to be revived without significant investments. Since MRFA isn't getting finalised in that time period, for all intents and purposes, the F-18 is out.

 

[sanket]

The five other nations are the USA, Russia, China (arguable, but still), South Korea, and Turkey. If those, the latter two only have prototypes so far, and the KF-21 as of today is more of a "5-"th generation aircraft. However, once they have the next block of the KF-21 flying later this decade, they'll join that club. Turkey is in a similar position. As for China, their aircraft may not be as stealthy as the others, but it still does meet practically all criteria for a fifth generation aircraft.

KF-21 is not 5th Gen , KAAN not meet yet 5th Gen criteria when Inducted with all 5th features will b called it IAF havent yet denied calling AMCA has a 5.5th Jet second one who are developing they know better what to call AMCA thats why they say it 5.5 Gen

 

[sanket]

You do realise that both the Eurofighter Typhoon and Su-35 are still in production, right? Both those types also have orders that will keep the lines going for a fair while still.

Coming to the Su-30MKI, we never had a true production line for the type. What we had was more of an assembly and partial production line, which is generally far cheaper to start back up.

Finally, the reason I specifically mentioned the F-18 is because the production line has already been winding down for a few years now, and some of the former F-18 lines are now manufacturing F-15EXs. Unless MRFA gets finalised in the next few months, and unless the F-18 wins that by some miracle (not that it should, there are better alternatives), the production line will not be able to be revived without significant investments. Since MRFA isn't getting finalised in that time period, for all intents and purposes, the F-18 is out.

what are u reply read carefully i said Eurofighter & Su-=35 prodution line are idle they dont have any orders even Su-30 production in Russia is not happening thats what i am saying even then are ready to deliver all lies from u all your commments are childish, Thats difference Eurofighter , Su-35 & Su-30 are ready todeliver as an when needed there are short coming in F-18 thats why it must have been withdrawn from MRFA or even it is pitched surely it will bite the Dust anyway .