Pakistan Turns to Russia's S-350 Vityaz After S-400 Request Denied

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In a move reflecting the complexities of regional geopolitics, Pakistan has reportedly sought to acquire Russia's S-350 Vityaz air defence system after its initial request for the more advanced S-400 was turned down.

Sources suggest that Russia's decision to decline the S-400 sale stems from a desire to avoid supplying identical high-end defence capabilities to neighboring nations with a history of conflict, especially as India already operates the S-400. This careful approach underscores Russia's efforts to maintain a balanced defence relationship in South Asia while preventing an escalation of the arms race between India and Pakistan.

While not as sophisticated as the S-400, the S-350 Vityaz is a formidable medium-to-long-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) system. With a range of up to 120 kilometers, it can track and engage a variety of targets, including ballistic and cruise missiles, and various aircraft.

Acquisition of the S-350 would significantly bolster Pakistan's current air defence capabilities, providing a robust mid-range layer to counter aerial threats. Experts highlight the system's flexibility, efficiency, and ability to neutralize diverse aerial threats, potentially enhancing Pakistan's defence posture along its borders.

Pakistan's existing air defence network primarily comprises Chinese and indigenously developed systems, supplemented by limited acquisitions from other allies. Although functional, these systems lack the advanced layered defence offered by platforms like the S-400 or S-350. Key assets in Pakistan's current arsenal include:
  • Anza Series MANPADS: Pakistan's domestically produced Man-Portable Air Defence System (MANPADS) series, the Anza Mk-I, Mk-II, and Mk-III, are shoulder-fired missiles with limited range (4 to 6 kilometers) designed to counter low-flying threats. While effective in certain scenarios, they lack the sophistication to engage advanced aircraft and missile systems.
  • HQ-9/P: Pakistan's most advanced air defence system, the Chinese-made HQ-9/P, is a medium-to-long-range SAM system with a range of approximately 100 to 125 kilometers. It can intercept both aircraft and missiles, enhancing Pakistan's ability to address aerial threats within its borders.
  • LY-80 (HQ-16): Another Chinese system, the LY-80, provides medium-range air defence with an engagement range of up to 40 kilometers. While it contributes to Pakistan's air defence strategy, its range and target handling capacity are limited compared to more advanced systems.
  • FM-90 and HQ-7: These short-range systems are designed for point defense of specific strategic assets or locations. With limited ranges (10 to 15 kilometers), they primarily target low-altitude threats and are not suited for comprehensive national air defense.
Russia's reluctance to provide Pakistan with the S-400 underscores its strategic balancing act in South Asia. Supplying both India and Pakistan with the same advanced system could destabilize the regional security environment and strain Russia's long-standing defence partnership with India, which highly values its exclusive access to such technology. As the first foreign buyer of the S-400, India's acquisition has significantly altered the regional power dynamics.

This development highlights the ongoing complexities of arms sales and defence cooperation in a region marked by historical tensions and strategic considerations. It remains to be seen how Russia's decision and Pakistan's pursuit of the S-350 will ultimately impact the regional security landscape.
 
That means Chinese Air defence is Not capable Ha Ha Ha Ha
Sir, I fully agree with you. The fact that Bhikaristan isn't going for something like the HQ-9 says a lot about Chinese systems.

Then again, considering that India also operates the S-300VM, perhaps we can push Russia not to sell the S-350? Thoughts?
 
Russians are selling weapons to Pakistan for a long time...

Why are not we selling weapons to Ukraine??
 
Russians are selling weapons to Pakistan for a long time...

Why are not we selling weapons to Ukraine??
I agree with you to the extent that we are a tad over-optimistic when it comes to Russia regarding their relationship with Bhikaristan.

That said, as we have been seeing, Indian arms are ending up in Ukraine, so there is that.
 
Russians are selling weapons to Pakistan for a long time...

Why are not we selling weapons to Ukraine??
...what do u mean? if Russia is not our friend then since when India declared Russia as enemy?😂

The things is that it is difficult and awkward to say that Russia, a sovereign nation, should make Indian interest top priority while selling weapons! In same way, Russia also can't entirely dictate Indian arms sales to it's enemies.

As of now, such big strategic weapons have not been sold to Pak. And India has not sold similar ones to Russian enemies, it shows there is still some understanding on the part of India & Russia. Also learn to differentiate between strategic weapons and tactical weapons.
 
Also shows Russia is not our friend as many Indians think
It's unrealistic to expect Russia to cater exclusively to Indian interests, especially when considering their own strategic priorities and vice versa. However, Russia has abstained from selling major strategic weapons to Pak, knowing that it may not go down well with India which exports such weapons from Russia.
 
I agree with you to the extent that we are a tad over-optimistic when it comes to Russia regarding their relationship with Bhikaristan.

That said, as we have been seeing, Indian arms are ending up in Ukraine, so there is that.
Indian weapons ending up in Ukraine are tactical weapons like Tank rounds. Whereas, S300/350/400 are strategic weapons that cause threat to national security of opponents.
 
It's unrealistic to expect Russia to cater exclusively to Indian interests, especially when considering their own strategic priorities and vice versa. However, Russia has abstained from selling major strategic weapons to Pak, knowing that it may not go down well with India which exports such weapons from Russia.
Russia only have 3/4 friends left.

India is one of them.

Also by that logic we c#an sell tanks arti#s and ammunition to Ukraine too.. All Non strategic
 
Sir, I fully agree with you. The fact that Bhikaristan isn't going for something like the HQ-9 says a lot about Chinese systems.

Then again, considering that India also operates the S-300VM, perhaps we can push Russia not to sell the S-350? Thoughts?
Russia would never sell Pakistan anything that can be a serious threat in India.
Specially in current scenario, where Indian companies are buying tonnes of Russian oil and several Indian companies supplying them some crucial subsystems of some important machines that Russia is using in different sectors. India fought whole world in recent 1-2 years to defend Russian oil purchase. Russia knew India has a very strong govt and is not working under any pressure of west.
Unlike china, India is a democratic country, one of the biggest economy with superb growth rate, a future manufacturing hub, a powerhouse in IT & medicine and is a big market.
I don't think putin is so dumb that he would dare to take risk against friendship with India.
 
Russia only have 3/4 friends left.

India is one of them.

Also by that logic we c#an sell tanks arti#s and ammunition to Ukraine too.. All Non strategic
There is no way India will sell arms and ammos to Ukraine as it will amount to direct participation in this ongoing war. Since, Russia isn't even state enemy of India then why India will act as per ur logic?. Was not India in denial when Russia questioned the presence of Made in India ammos in Ukrainian hand? Rather, those ammos were supplied by 3rd parties by ordering it from India.
 
India can order same S350 and another S500 unit from Russia. Let's complicate it. Even a single order of S350 from India then Russia will deny even 10 units of S350 from Pakistan.
 
There is no way India will sell arms and ammos to Ukraine as it will amount to direct participation in this ongoing war. Since, Russia isn't even state enemy of India then why India will act as per ur logic?. Was not India in denial when Russia questioned the presence of Made in India ammos in Ukrainian hand? Rather, those ammos were supplied by 3rd parties by ordering it from India.
That's my point then why Russians sell weapons to our primary enemy??

How can Russia be our friends??
 
That's my point then why Russians sell weapons to our primary enemy??

How can Russia be our friends??
You are engaging in emotional reasoning fallacy.

...all nations care most about their sphere of influence which is part of their national interest. if XYZ nation is loosing influence in India to US, then they might shift their influence to Pak. This is called countermeasure. All nations practice similar countermeasure.

By your logic, if selling some arms to Pak makes them state enemy of India then there will be almost no friends for India. Almost all nations have sold their weapons to Pak, largest of them are Western nations & China. Your logic is flawed.
 
Russia would never sell Pakistan anything that can be a serious threat in India.
Specially in current scenario, where Indian companies are buying tonnes of Russian oil and several Indian companies supplying them some crucial subsystems of some important machines that Russia is using in different sectors. India fought whole world in recent 1-2 years to defend Russian oil purchase. Russia knew India has a very strong govt and is not working under any pressure of west.
Unlike china, India is a democratic country, one of the biggest economy with superb growth rate, a future manufacturing hub, a powerhouse in IT & medicine and is a big market.
I don't think putin is so dumb that he would dare to take risk against friendship with India.
So you are telling us that 100+ JF17s which fly using Russian engines, are not a serious threat to India at all? And what about the attack choppers, ATGMs, air defense systems, small arms etc.?
 
As of now, such big strategic weapons have not been sold to Pak. And India has not sold similar ones to Russian enemies, it shows there is still some understanding on the part of India & Russia. Also learn to differentiate between strategic weapons and tactical weapons.
JF17 fly using Russian engines. Russia signed a deal with China that specifically said that the engines should only be used by Pakistan.
 
Russia would never sell Pakistan anything that can be a serious threat in India.
Specially in current scenario, where Indian companies are buying tonnes of Russian oil and several Indian companies supplying them some crucial subsystems of some important machines that Russia is using in different sectors. India fought whole world in recent 1-2 years to defend Russian oil purchase. Russia knew India has a very strong govt and is not working under any pressure of west.
Unlike china, India is a democratic country, one of the biggest economy with superb growth rate, a future manufacturing hub, a powerhouse in IT & medicine and is a big market.
I don't think putin is so dumb that he would dare to take risk against friendship with India.
couple of days ago there was news about Some Firm from India have been sanctioned By US for supplying Dual use components to Russia, But they are getting paid in Rupees Bcoz oil is traded in Rupees, No impact of US sanctioned Thats kind of relation have with Russia There is No question to sell pakistan you are right
 
Indian weapons ending up in Ukraine are tactical weapons like Tank rounds. Whereas, S300/350/400 are strategic weapons that cause threat to national security of opponents.
What about attack helicopters like the Mi-24/35? What about fighter engines? And that too hundreds of the latter?

Russia sold all of that to Bhikaristan. I'd say those are strategic assets.

See, one cannot blame Russia for prioritizing its strategic interests. However, we need to adjust our approach accordingly.
 
What about attack helicopters like the Mi-24/35? What about fighter engines? And that too hundreds of the latter?

Russia sold all of that to Bhikaristan. I'd say those are strategic assets.

See, one cannot blame Russia for prioritizing its strategic interests. However, we need to adjust our approach accordingly.
Mi-35 for Pak, it was Russian act of countermeasure for India choosing Apaches. Ruski Engines for J-17 was brokered by China, Pak is just a 3rd Party (thankfully spare parts issue cropped out).Earlier, even Soviets sold missiles to Pak during Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. I find it irony. Geopolitics is complex, and it require careful dissection instead of resorting to emotional reasoning.

I also don't like Pak & Russia relations.
 
If Russia sells S-350 to Porrki then we should rethink about our relationship with Russia and start giving more preference To France...as France always stayed with us...
 
It's unrealistic to expect Russia to cater exclusively to Indian interests, especially when considering their own strategic priorities and vice versa. However, Russia has abstained from selling major strategic weapons to Pak, knowing that it may not go down well with India which exports such weapons from Russia.
Are they not supplied through China??? Just like India supplies Russian oil to Europe??
 
Russia would never sell Pakistan anything that can be a serious threat in India.
Specially in current scenario, where Indian companies are buying tonnes of Russian oil and several Indian companies supplying them some crucial subsystems of some important machines that Russia is using in different sectors. India fought whole world in recent 1-2 years to defend Russian oil purchase. Russia knew India has a very strong govt and is not working under any pressure of west.
Unlike china, India is a democratic country, one of the biggest economy with superb growth rate, a future manufacturing hub, a powerhouse in IT & medicine and is a big market.
I don't think putin is so dumb that he would dare to take risk against friendship with India.
Arms trade doesn't work like that, Indian 155mm artillery 120mm mortar and 125mm tank shells are being used by Ukrainian army against Russia right now. These are via sales to Slovenia, Spain, Italy and other countries that are transferred to Ukraine. Russia can also sell SAMs to Pakistan as defensive items like they sold engines etc while placate india that they are not selling any offensive weapons
 
Besides these systems the article missed many systems also operated by Pakistan-
RBS-70 , Stinger , FN-16 and Mistral Manpads
Spada Aspide 2000 medium range SAM etc
 
Reminder that our "friend" Russia is also currently showing off the Su-57 at a Chinese Airshow where they're no doubt sniffing up all the photons and electrons they can on it, and has also sold them the S400. Selling this to Pakistan would just be one more knife twist, but we clearly can't rely on Russia for any leg up over who we're sandwiched between.
 
I am for Russia selling those S-350 systems to Pakistan as long as Pakistan pays in cash and we get the codes to disarm them.

That way everybody goes home happy. Russia gets some hard cold precious cash, Pakistan gets its system, thumbing its nose against India, and India sits back smugly knowing that it has the codes to disarm them and can attack Pakistan anytime it wants to do so without Pakistan knowing the wiser and Pakistan is a couple billion dollars short.
 

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