Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

Those are MSME , not some crazy corporate croni like Tata

May be u r unaware, TATA Manufacturing Solutions Limited does produce machine tools and yes they do produce aerospace grade precision machine tools.

 

[Pad UwU]

I only believe it when see it🙃😜

 

[Pad UwU]

Nope they bear responsibility because Tejas MK2 prototype fabrication was originally slated for 2023 but then postponed to 20024 and then again deferred for 2025. Even with revised timeline, they were expected to get the prototype fabrication done in 2024, but now that is impossible. So they cant escape the responsibility by shifting blame.

It's shows HAL method is inefficient of prolonging the work of mk2 introduction 😹😹😹....time is gold bruh

 

[Pad UwU]

Do you want your project in eternity? Well, then you go for HAL

Wadafaq that would be a great disaster 😹😹😹

 

[Tanishq Bafila]

Are u serious? HAL had all the freedom with LCA MK2 and were originally scheduled to roll out the prototype in 2023 but that later turned to 2024 and then to 2025. Similarly, they were originally slated to start test trials by 2025 but now they are likely to only commence in 2027. They had a very narrow window of opportunity where the induction of LCA MK2 made any pragmatic sense. Yet they blew it spectacularly. Its been painfully obvious for industry analysts for a while that the AMCA program has been delayed beyond measure and even the AMCA MK1, which is expected to be a 4-4.5 generation fighter will not see service anytime before 2037-40.

That's why proper knowledge is necessary, HAL got CCS approval to make prototype in Sep 2022 but the approval for utilisation of funds came in Sep 2023 , due to government new policy to have a amount of indigenous content in a product & f414 deal...

You don't make a product without setting a deal with other manufacturers. Blame HAL for not rolling out Mk1A by March 2024 but not for Mk2 or AMCA in both project HAL asked for private vendors for production of jets but no-one came ahead..

After a CCS approval a prototype comes after 3-4 years , that a simple thing in every jet project

 

[Pink Panther]

India is doomed, Very bleak prospects, No hope at all, with the capacity to make only 24 jets in all of HAL facilities combined, HAL needs to make Tejas MK1A, MK2 prototype, TEDBF prototype, AMCA MK1 prototype, upgrade SU-30’s and upgrade MIG-29’s, so out of 24 max capacity, three will be occupied for prototype development, so in the remaining 21, let’s say 6 are occupied for Super Sukhoi upgrade, 21-6 = 15, let’s say 3 are occupied for MIG-29 UPG upgrade, now we have 15-3 = 12, let us say 3-4 piers or occupied for regular maintenance of other jets., so the balance is only 8, only 8 Tejas MK1A can be manufactured/year., based on my calculations if HAL has capacity to make only 8 Tejas M1A/year, it will take 23 years for it to make 190 jets, what about MK2, TEDBF, AMCA MK1.

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

No where Peeniya website say their own design , they say distributor and importer.

Ethereal and HMT make own design

Peenya is an industrial estate near Bengaluru. There is one company - Ace Micromatic which has a subsidiary Micromatic Machine Tools based in Peenya. The company has been a key sub-contractor for ISRO for the last 2-3 decades.

 

[Ashutosh]

Official date of roll out?

Official date of rollout what kind of question is that!? Ban rha hai plane.....koi bolta hai isi December, koi bolta hai agle saal September koi bolta hai early 2026

 

[Ashutosh]

Files for CCS approval were submitted in April 2023. So less than a year. So no comma.

No similar statements have ever been made. You tried and couldn’t provide a single example. And if they were, then they will also be called delays.

Delay gg!
Well GOI is to be blamed for the delay.

The files of CCS have been sent way back....there have already a PIB report of discussion of approval of AMCA CCS approval almost 2 years ago. Go and check it.

 

[Ashutosh]

Only BAL chief’s statements matter here as he is the manufacturer. No one else matters at all in this case.

Are u nuts!? With no design what will someone make!?

 

[Ashutosh]

When was the product supposed to be delivered as per the manufacturer? Already shown the official proof.

Product comes after ur funds .... No funds= No project

 

[Rajesh]

are you mentally ill???how can anyone defend HAL??

TUrkey is flying KAAn

🦃 is getting the fund at the right time here those concerned are sitting on the file and taking tour all around the 🌍 in the luxurious jets in saying so I am not defending hal they r almost pathetic to the department they comes under.

 

[Frank]

🦃 is getting the fund at the right time here those concerned are sitting on the file and taking tour all around the 🌍 in the luxurious jets in saying so I am not defending hal they r almost pathetic to the department they comes under.

Tekjas mk2 have not flied yet. project is 20 years old...

have some shame.. or be ready for another humiliation like balakot..

 

[Ashutosh]

Though it was formally approved in September 2022, the CDR was already complete in 2021, which indicates the project continued to receive funding on with an informal funding arrangement.

What makes u think that!?
😅
By going with this logic, AMCA wasn't on a comma for a year until CCS recently approved it right!?

 

[Santosh Kumar pal]

Good initiative for 5th generation AMCA project.
But l do believe AMCA is a day dream project.
India should learn something from Turkey's Kaan fighter jet project and south Korean KFX fighter jet project.

 

[Amit Ray]

Excellent strategy, hope this'll augment our production capacity. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

 

[Akshat]

Are u nuts!? With no design what will someone make!?

With no design how did he make the commitment? Are you nuts?

 

[Akshat]

Product comes after ur funds .... No funds= No project

Product should come when promised. No promises can be made without funds. Or it’s called a lie. And a lie by the head is a lie by the organization.

 

[Akshat]

Delay gg!
Well GOI is to be blamed for the delay.

The files of CCS have been sent way back....there have already a PIB report of discussion of approval of AMCA CCS approval almost 2 years ago. Go and check it.

PIB report specifically says that the file is sent in April 2023. After the budget. So the government has actually allocated emergency funds to an organization that is known to lie to it.

 

[Akshat]

Official date of rollout what kind of question is that!? Ban rha hai plane.....koi bolta hai isi December, koi bolta hai agle saal September koi bolta hai early 2026

Jo manufacturer ka head bolta hai wo date official hoti hai. Else use jhootha bolte hai.

 

[Ashutosh]

PIB report specifically says that the file is sent in April 2023. After the budget. So the government has actually allocated emergency funds to an organization that is known to lie to it.

GOVERNMENT PLANS ON AMCA

Process for obtaining Cabinet Committee on Security’s (CCS) approval for design and prototype develo

pib.gov.in

PIB report on AMCA
Date 2022

 

[Ashutosh]

With no design how did he make the commitment? Are you nuts?

These commitments are so often.... whether for TEDBF, AMCA or LCA mk2

 

[Ashutosh]

Product should come when promised. No promises can be made without funds. Or it’s called a lie. And a lie by the head is a lie by the organization.

No funds{= No product
My statement still stands strong

 

[Ashutosh]

Jo manufacturer ka head bolta hai wo date official hoti hai. Else use jhootha bolte hai.

Aisa tujhe kisne bola, mei engineer hu, jab tak mera design finalize aur approve nhi hoga manufacturer pe koi dhyan tak nhi deta....

Kam karta tab pata chalta n...Ben 10 dekhna chod de

 

[Sentoki]

Doubt anyone notes the Irony? The low observable di-electric composite skin is going to be developed by DRDO/MIDHANI? MIDHANI/DMRL as an organization was created to develop metallurgical alloys, can someone at DRDO care to explain as to why did they think an organization specializing in metallurgy was thought to be good enough to take a lead on developing low observable composites?

That right there amply demonstrates the malady afflicting DRDO projects. The program inception phase itself is screwed with having people ill-equipped to handle the projects take lead role in the project. Not surprised most of their projects are horribly managed and rarely reach fruition.

While on the face of it, it doesn't seem logical for a lab named after metallurgical research to be working on composites, it may have been done for administrative convenience as well as taking advantage of translatable skills and expertise.

Whether it is metals or composites, you still need materials engineers and chemists.