Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[sanket]

Very Nice news in the Morning some where saying Indigenous content is not even 50% ,so this is eye opener for them .secondly couple of days i said other ongoing 5th gen project are 4.75 generation Fighter jet the author corrected into 4.5th Gen.KHAN even not yet developed its aero-engine so Final Block of so called 4.75 Gen Steath Fighter may b inducted post 2030 . its time line is matching with AMCA.Taking First flight isdoent mean its production ready .F-35 still have some problems.AMCA MK1 apart from Low cost Funding it will b 5.5th Gen & AMCA MK2 will b Gth Gen Features. India is doing best by not joining any offers of Sixth Gen Stealth Fighter project.

 

[sanket]

KF-21 & KHAAN is not soley developed Foreign hand have helped even then it is 4.75 Gen stealth Fighters.

 

[charminar_waale_ismail_bhai]

I'd prefer a "No HAL" approach over a "low cost" approach for AMCA any day.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

KF-21 & KHAAN is not soley developed Foreign hand have helped even then it is 4.75 Gen stealth Fighters.

Yeah, kf21 has lockheed martin as consultant and kaan has BAE systems as consultant.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

This figure of 1.8 billion is not complete for amca. That is just for prototype development. A lot has been spent on developing the substems like stealth coatings, stealthy engine ducts, internal weapon bays etc. Similarly some money has been saved by having a lot of commonality with tejas mk2 and tedbf. Lets hope they can build it man. The models look very promising and give F22 vibes.

 

[charminar_waale_ismail_bhai]

Morning some where saying Indigenous content is not even 50% ,so this is eye opener for them

Counting your chicken, even before the hen has laid an egg?

Abhi toh Covid ka excuse bhi nahin chipkaya gaya hai.
HAL is leading the project. Aage aage dekho, hota hai kya.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

I'd prefer a "No HAL" approach over a "low cost" approach for AMCA any day.

Oh, which company other than HAL can build a twin engine stealth fighter in india. This is one of the problems that is facing the SPV model. The private players are hesitant because they lack expertise. HAL will have to take lead eventually

 

[Ramsses CDXX]

Chhapri article

Low program cost = low expenditure on R&D = Low technology❗ Hence AMCA will not reach what F-35 is.

 

[sanket]

Yeah, kf21 has lockheed martin as consultant and kaan has BAE systems as consultant.

western have played good game By helping kHAAN project they avoided F-35 project Participation Guarding key Tech.KHAAN will not b comparable against F-35. Just Make shift so called stealth Fight.stealth Tech not fall in wrong hand it may flew to Beggaristan than china via beggaristan .

 

[sanket]

I'd prefer a "No HAL" approach over a "low cost" approach for AMCA any day.

pvt players are pure Copy paste job Not from Design developing and R&D process .

 

[sanket]

Counting your chicken, even before the hen has laid an egg?

Abhi toh Covid ka excuse bhi nahin chipkaya gaya hai.
HAL is leading the project. Aage aage dekho, hota hai kya.

Mark My word it will cross 85% Indigenous content Aage aage dekho Indeginous content Badtha hi chala jayega .....................

 

[Paul]

Let's set aside the pricing for the moment. First, let's build a prototype.

 

[charminar_waale_ismail_bhai]

which company other than HAL can build a twin engine stealth fighter in india.

HAL has not built any twin engine stealth fighter in India yet.

With that out of the way, if your question revolves around potential contrqctors, then apart from HAL corporations like NAL, Tata, Mahindra and even Adani possess capability to to design and build a stealth fighter, albeit with a lot of foreign input and consultations.

 

[charminar_waale_ismail_bhai]

Mark My word it will cross 85% Indigenous content Aage aage dekho Indeginous content Badtha hi chala jayega .....................

What is the percent of indigenous content by value in our indigenous HAL Tejas Mk-1? Which our good engineers at HAL have been developing since its first flight in 2000, almost 24 years ago?

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

HAL has not built any twin engine stealth fighter in India yet.

With that out of the way, if your question revolves around potential contrqctors, then apart from HAL corporations like NAL, Tata, Mahindra and even Adani possess capability to to design and build a stealth fighter, albeit with a lot of foreign input and consultations.

NAL is a Lab, it is not a contractor. Tata has started in aerospace manufacturing in past 5-7 years, that too just some body panels for boeing. Mahindra, adani etc have veri little experience. Adani has just started with israeli help in drones.

Nobody even comes close to HAL. You want to give them control of a project like AMCA? LOL

 

[charminar_waale_ismail_bhai]

pvt players are pure Copy paste job Not from Design developing and R&D process .

I am certain, IAF would perfer a copy+pasted Rafale if the private contractor could deliver 500 of them in 10 years, than a fully indigenous, in-house designed and R&D produced Tejas, of which, only 50 have been built till it first took flight 24 years ago

 

[charminar_waale_ismail_bhai]

Nobody even comes close to HAL. You want to give them control of a project like AMCA?

Well, I'd want that AMCA be actually built, so yes, I would give private players, control of the peoject.

 

[Ashutosh]

I want more prototypes to be made under AMCA mk1 to Fastrack the testing period. KF21 program even though -5 gen have 6 prototypes.
Ours should have more than 5.

Moreover, devs shall solely concentrate on stealth and weapons bay under AMCA mk1 program and not look to add ' so called advanced features ' under the mk1.

Technologies and subsystems of Tejas mk1a- Tejas mk2( already developed tech.) + stealth is more than enough for mk1.

They can make mk2 and integrate anything want on it.

This shall lead to fastrack development and prevent cost overrun.

 

[sanket]

What is the percent of indigenous content by value in our indigenous HAL Tejas Mk-1? Which our good engineers at HAL have been developing since its first flight in 2000, almost 24 years ago?

Engine cost almost 1/4th than comes Radar , work is in progress First Uttam AESA Radar will b Replace than Kaveri derivative in Mid Life upgrades. this way Indigenous content will climb up. Very hand ful countrys have developed this Tech .This is First project by AMCA Indigenous content is going to climb .

 

[sanket]

I am certain, IAF would perfer a copy+pasted Rafale if the private contractor could deliver 500 of them in 10 years, than a fully indigenous, in-house designed and R&D produced Tejas, of which, only 50 have been built till it first took flight 24 years ago

Even till date Dasault havent produce more than 16 Rafale per year there production capacity is under 20 , at the moment they are going with 13 per year. How Indian pvt players can produce 500 Jets witin in Ten years it will b 50 per year . Only in Dreams it will happen Pvt players are not ready for SPV model for AMCA Production.

 

[bonito]

Worse ! Since the objective doesn't stress about time to market, the strategy also does not emphasis on the delivery importance rather on low cost.

The last para should be

In conclusion India's AMCA program represents a bunch of fighter jets which are technologically obsolete by the time of delivery

 

[Bharat007]

This article is full of oversimplifying and belittling success of others when one doesn't even have similar prototypes yet. Even TAI KAAN prototype is not 5th Gen Jet despite having stealth design features. It takes years of further polishing to make a jet truly stealth. Same goes with that South Korean one. As far as I know, India is building AMCA from scratch without foreign assistant. It is likely, India with limited stealth tech knowledge know how first prototype will not be 5 gen rather a 4.5.

 

[Deepak Hegde]

Mark My word it will cross 85% Indigenous content Aage aage dekho Indeginous content Badtha hi chala jayega .....................

Anyway it will be on paper. You can as well claim 100% indigenous !

 

[Deepak Hegde]

I'd prefer a "No HAL" approach over a "low cost" approach for AMCA any day.

Thats the only way the damn plane will ever fly !

 

[Kira]

This figure of 1.8 billion is not complete for amca. That is just for prototype development. A lot has been spent on developing the substems like stealth coatings, stealthy engine ducts, internal weapon bays etc. Similarly some money has been saved by having a lot of commonality with tejas mk2 and tedbf. Lets hope they can build it man. The models look very promising and give F22 vibes.

Yup, this is a projected cost but taking in account inflation and PSUs inefficiency,which is bound to raise the price significantly.Finally,there is a huge question mark whether HAL/ADA can even deliver a prototype given the persistent issues they face with even baseline 4th Gen jet like Tejas.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Yup, this is a projected cost but taking in account inflation and PSUs inefficiency,which is bound to raise the price significantly.Finally,there is a huge question mark whether HAL/ADA can even deliver a prototype given the persistent issues they face with even baseline 4th Gen jet like Tejas.

This is not projected cost, this is the amount sanctioned by the defence ministry specifically for building the prototypes

 

[chittangshu das]

Indian speciality in cost control

 

[Kira]

This is not projected cost, this is the amount sanctioned by the defence ministry specifically for building the prototypes

Which will rise up significantly for when actual IOC and FOC models are to be made.

 

[beencensured]

This article is full of oversimplifying and belittling success of others when one doesn't even have similar prototypes yet. Even TAI KAAN prototype is not 5th Gen Jet despite having stealth design features. It takes years of further polishing to make a jet truly stealth. Same goes with that South Korean one. As far as I know, India is building AMCA from scratch without foreign assistant. It is likely, India with limited stealth tech knowledge know how first prototype will not be 5 gen rather a 4.5.

They HAVE BEEN developing this technology(AMCA) since 2008. They have made every engineering drawing for every part. It will be fifth generational and better then Su-57 and compete with f-22. There is no hype in AMCA, only needs make prototype and test it. Even Tejas mk1a(one most highly composite fighter jet in market) has reduced rcs, so expecting AMCA to be better and as stealth will not be some giant leap.

 

[beencensured]

Worse ! Since the objective doesn't stress about time to market, the strategy also does not emphasis on the delivery importance rather on low cost.

The last para should be

In conclusion India's AMCA program represents a bunch of fighter jets which are technologically obsolete by the time of delivery

Considering the only country that has a true stealth jet is USA, I really doubt the AMCA is outdated.