No need if France/Dassault/Safran refuse to pick up a competent Indian company instead of about to go to jail Anil Ambani and build 90 Rafale F4s and 26 Rafale-Ms in India with a private company.
MRFA is a ready to combat jet. Production rate would be atleast 10 /year. Can Ind afford to wait for an indigenous fighter to mature for 5 years ?
USA does not have options as their stealth fighters planes have failed.
HAL has good track record.
MRFA is a ready combat jet, but its factory in India does not exist. The supply chain for the factory does not exist. The lead times for stuff like fighter jet parts is 2-3 years. It means after you give order, it takes 3 years to create it and deliver. Setting up supply chain in India will take at least 5 years.
USA is the only country possessing 5 th gen planes. The only thing they are bad is operational cost...but still they stand at top.
So are u sure LCA mk2 would be production ready !? Even if it would be, would be at it's max. potential!? In 5 years, u have a max. potential MRFA, so what's more favourable keeping China in mind!?
Leave him be. Ignore him, for he is an immature imbecile who has absolutely no idea of industrial manufacturing and assembly line operations and knows only to complain and bemoan when someone points out his foolishness.
what I am saying is that by the time India rafale factory starts churning out rafale as less than 10 per year, if we invest the same amount of money on setting up LCA mk2 planes, we can get much more numbers per year by same time, after all they are much cheaper. And best of all we dont have to import expensive foreign missiles, radars etc for those 114 rafales. We can buy indigenous versions. MRFA is going to cost over 10 billion dollars. Imagine if that much money is invested in Indian factories, Indian radars and Indian missiles.
you are assuming that HAL will not ramp up fighter jet production till 2035? I believe that by that time India will be producing over 20 jets a year.
I think u forgot that MRFA would be atleast 50% indigenous, that means it will also give us the knowledge how especially for the pvt. sector. Again, how are u getting this idea of >10 rollouts/ year!?
the order for Rafale Marine as a G2G is enough. No need for more rafales after that. We should invest MRFA money in local production of tejas Mk1A, Mk 2, TEDBF, AMCA. Imagine what 10 billion dollar investment will do for Indian aviation and missile ecosystem. If you buy so many expensive rafales, you will have to buy lot of expensive french and british missiles, radar, etc as well because they will not integrate indian systems.
F35 unit cost 80 something, and acc. to u 400 for just 70👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yo genius, only F35A is under 100 million, with both B and C models priced well north of 100 million. That is after they have produced well over 1000 units of aircraft and had not even started full-series production. Its full-series production was only approved just a week back in March 2024.
I am not too sure about that. Ramping up production is a possibility, but unless you can ramp up the entire supply chain, from airframe manufacturing to avionics subsystem manufacturing to control systems to the engine, etc., you really can't ramp production up. We have already seen just what it takes for an aircraft type to see production in large numbers: Chinese manufacturing vs the F-35 just reaching full-scale production now vs Dassault struggling to get past a dozen or so aircraft a year. Taking into consideration the wide variety of sub-components we are making and the experience of HAL in keeping a production line, I would wager we will be very similar to Dassault in that spectrum.
80 aircraft a year? At that point, you are being moronic enough that it doesn't even make sense to attempt to have a discussion with you.
Oh no, you may hurt his feelings, It seems our genius is the produce of IIT, and thus is entitled to be worshipped. What is the status of us commoners before the lordship.
1. You most certainly did not mention any timelines. Just saying that X number of aircraft is enough is nonsensical without context.
Oh ya, produce 100 aircraft per year when the engine supplier can most optimally supply 20 engines annually. Guess that's a whole new concept of capacity planning and Operations Research being taught in IIT nowadays.
Yes up until now AMCA is nowhere near to be found always overhyping it's coming 😹😹😹
Didn't you read the last article
in order to ramp up supply chain you need orders. And orders wont be placed unless their is this MRFA monkey on IAF's back. MRFA is delayed for so long due to high price, and because it remains a possibility, IAF has not committed to higher orders for tejas Mk2, TEDBF etc, and their development is delayed.
MRFA will be as indigenous as the Su-30 is indigenous. We have to pay obscene license fees and still have to import tons from russia for that. The reason why I am getting this idea of >10 rollouts is because, We currently have the capacity to build more than 10 per year, if you combine tejas mk1, and Su-30, since they both are locally built. And after 10 billion dollar invest ment, in 5 years time we can double it definitely.
Even the f35 has thousand bugs it use serves it's purpose of surprising it's enemies... Especially because of it's passive and active stealth feature added with its electronic warfare system.... Most it's obvious problem is it's limited weapon it can carry it it's belly...
it would take us at least 17-18 years from today to get all 114 MRFA aircraft. And we wont get first 1 till at least 5-6 years from now. It wont help vs china any more than indigenous fighters.
The other nations like China and Russia is already in league of 5gen aircraft technology.... Only difference is Russias su57 is built as a pseudo 5gen that still needs some refinement like serrated/flat engine nozzle, more advance RAM coating, sensor fusion and super computer, upgraded engine with super cruise at mach 2, s shape air duct inlet and a more advance AESA radar than their weird so called AESA radar using
