Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[NSR]

No need for MRFA at all

No need if France/Dassault/Safran refuse to pick up a competent Indian company instead of about to go to jail Anil Ambani and build 90 Rafale F4s and 26 Rafale-Ms in India with a private company.

90 Rafales would cost almost $15 to 18 billions and it is not chump change to be succinct.

India will benefit if it invests that money in its own fighter programs.

 

[Ashutosh]

If MRFA is given approval today it will take minimum 5 years for production line to setup in India and to start making aircraft. And the number of aircraft manufacturedd per year will be <10. If we invest that money to ramp up production of tejas mk 2 and improve development of TEDBF and AMCA, we can get much better research. The money saved is immense. Remember, out of any money spent on defence industry in India, 30-40% comes back to govt as tax revenue.

MRFA is a ready to combat jet. Production rate would be atleast 10 /year. Can Ind afford to wait for an indigenous fighter to mature for 5 years ?

 

[Baka007]

So many latent bots suddenly active pitching for MRFA 😅
MRFA = more screw driving 🪛

 

[Sandeep]

India isn't going to spend over $20 billion on the MRFA at all even if some are made in India. We need to keep focusing on our own indigenous Tejas MK1A, MK2 and AMCA jets because until we start making our own jets we will always stay trapped in an endless cycle of expensive imports which includes its weapons imports for 30-40 years. This leaves us little money that we need to invest in our own indigenous jet program which will work out to be cheaper in the long term as any materials we use to develop them will be sourced indigenously and this benefits our own economy as well.

Currently we have a clear conventional military advantage against Pakistan and against China we have our nuclear weapons shield so at best all they can do is skirmish against our troops and we have a advantage in defending against them. We have moved a lot of our major weapons and equipment to the LAC so this will strengthen our forces further and we have increased the amount of infrastructure we are building from roads, bases, bunkers, communication and command centres and we are working with the ITBP by communicating any threats, concerns or aid required. So there is no major actionable threat that India faces that it can't handle as our forces defeated every Chinese attacks despite being surprised.

People need to realise that modern air forces don't need as many jets as they previously required as we have increased the number of multi role jets we have whereas previous fighters were developed for one task like being a ground attacker or air superiority fighter. Also India has been increasing the number of SAM defence systems we have which give a 24/7 defence capability over that area which a jet can't do so installing the S400, MR-SAM, Akash and future QRSAM and Akash NG.

 

[Instant Karma]

Rafales are to be produced in India under MRFA🤦.

U think u r smarter than decision makers of the world's strongest force!?

They are looking forward for F15 service till 2060.

USA does not have options as their stealth fighters planes have failed.

 

[Instant Karma]

What if AMCA is delayed further? It is difficult to trust Indian public sector.... Because of tarikh pe tarikh.

HAL has good track record.

 

[Frank]

WOW! 400 mk2 will be 70 million @ best. You are saying real planes right & not models?

Mass manufacturing re tard..

F35 is under 100 million...

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

MRFA is a ready to combat jet. Production rate would be atleast 10 /year. Can Ind afford to wait for an indigenous fighter to mature for 5 years ?

MRFA is a ready combat jet, but its factory in India does not exist. The supply chain for the factory does not exist. The lead times for stuff like fighter jet parts is 2-3 years. It means after you give order, it takes 3 years to create it and deliver. Setting up supply chain in India will take at least 5 years.

 

[Ashutosh]

USA does not have options as their stealth fighters planes have failed.

USA is the only country possessing 5 th gen planes. The only thing they are bad is operational cost...but still they stand at top.

 

[Ashutosh]

MRFA is a ready combat jet, but its factory in India does not exist. The supply chain for the factory does not exist. The lead times for stuff like fighter jet parts is 2-3 years. It means after you give order, it takes 3 years to create it and deliver. Setting up supply chain in India will take at least 5 years.

So are u sure LCA mk2 would be production ready !? Even if it would be, would be at it's max. potential!? In 5 years, u have a max. potential MRFA, so what's more favourable keeping China in mind!?

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

Ur indigenous LCA after 23 years of flight is not 65% indigenous while a Screwdriving product Su30mki will soon have almost 80% indigenised....what is more indigenous!?

Ur indigenous LCA is not even 60+ indigenous and then u have MRFA for whom it's a must to be atleast 50% indigenous 👏👏

Naam pe Jaa mat ...kaam pe jaa....
LCA AF mk2 was named MWF first but it was still lighter acc. to our IAF.

The world considers Gripen E as an MRFA, but for IAF it's an LCA...Gripen E ( not to be confused with Gripen C) and Tejas mk2 is of the same class. They are medium weight fighters .

Abe konsa Nasha kar liya!?
F15 ki unit cost 80 million hai , LCA mk1a ki unit cost 63 million hai aur tujhe 400 MWF 70 million me mil jayega!?

Abe nashedi, kya Sungh liya tine

Leave him be. Ignore him, for he is an immature imbecile who has absolutely no idea of industrial manufacturing and assembly line operations and knows only to complain and bemoan when someone points out his foolishness.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

So are u sure LCA mk2 would be production ready !? Even if it would be, would be at it's max. potential!? In 5 years, u have a max. potential MRFA, so what's more favourable keeping China in mind!?

what I am saying is that by the time India rafale factory starts churning out rafale as less than 10 per year, if we invest the same amount of money on setting up LCA mk2 planes, we can get much more numbers per year by same time, after all they are much cheaper. And best of all we dont have to import expensive foreign missiles, radars etc for those 114 rafales. We can buy indigenous versions. MRFA is going to cost over 10 billion dollars. Imagine if that much money is invested in Indian factories, Indian radars and Indian missiles.

Increasing scale of production is just numbers game. You spend more money to set up more factories and larger production line. Whether you do that for rafale or Tejas mk2 or tedbf or amca, is upto you.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

if you assume HAL can manufacture 9 Tejas Mk 2s a year by 2035-36 (again, overly optimistic)

you are assuming that HAL will not ramp up fighter jet production till 2035? I believe that by that time India will be producing over 20 jets a year.

 

[Ashutosh]

what I am saying is that by the time India rafale factory starts churning out rafale as less than 10 per year, if we invest the same amount of money on setting up LCA mk2 planes, we can get much more numbers per year by same time, after all they are much cheaper. And best of all we dont have to import expensive foreign missiles, radars etc for those 114 rafales. We can buy indigenous versions. MRFA is going to cost over 10 billion dollars. Imagine if that much money is invested in Indian factories, Indian radars and Indian missiles.

Increasing scale of production is just numbers game. You spend more money to set up more factories and larger production line. Whether you do that for rafale or Tejas mk2 or tedbf or amca, is upto you.

I think u forgot that MRFA would be atleast 50% indigenous, that means it will also give us the knowledge how especially for the pvt. sector. Again, how are u getting this idea of >10 rollouts/ year!?
Important points following on:
What's more important is these things:

• Don't lose the capability against China and get in more miserable state.
• Get an alternative of HAL
• Increasing Pvt. Sector participation.

Idea of supporting indigenous program at the expense of compromising security, worst idea.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Bharat should go for 36/54 Rafales through G to G deal and scrap MRFA. With sanction of Tejas Mark-2 and AMCA, MRFA is almost dead for good .

the order for Rafale Marine as a G2G is enough. No need for more rafales after that. We should invest MRFA money in local production of tejas Mk1A, Mk 2, TEDBF, AMCA. Imagine what 10 billion dollar investment will do for Indian aviation and missile ecosystem. If you buy so many expensive rafales, you will have to buy lot of expensive french and british missiles, radar, etc as well because they will not integrate indian systems.

 

[Pad UwU]

Here we go again too many debate and delays😹😹😹

 

[Ashutosh]

Mass manufacturing re tard..

F35 is under 100 million...

F35 unit cost 80 something, and acc. to u 400 for just 70👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Abe barvi fail itna bura koi kaise hag sakta hai!?

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

Mass manufacturing re tard..

F35 is under 100 million...

Yo genius, only F35A is under 100 million, with both B and C models priced well north of 100 million. That is after they have produced well over 1000 units of aircraft and had not even started full-series production. Its full-series production was only approved just a week back in March 2024.

 

[Anant]

you are assuming that HAL will not ramp up fighter jet production till 2035? I believe that by that time India will be producing over 20 jets a year.

I am not too sure about that. Ramping up production is a possibility, but unless you can ramp up the entire supply chain, from airframe manufacturing to avionics subsystem manufacturing to control systems to the engine, etc., you really can't ramp production up. We have already seen just what it takes for an aircraft type to see production in large numbers: Chinese manufacturing vs the F-35 just reaching full-scale production now vs Dassault struggling to get past a dozen or so aircraft a year. Taking into consideration the wide variety of sub-components we are making and the experience of HAL in keeping a production line, I would wager we will be very similar to Dassault in that spectrum.

 

[Anant]

I hate Hal... Everyone knows...

Production can be given to Adani or LT or TATA

60:40 ratio(L1:L2)

By 2028,
80 jets per year production possible (20 HAL+30 L1+ 30 L2)

Even 60 per year is enough

Tata Lt Adani.. All They do is screw driving anyway..

80 aircraft a year? At that point, you are being moronic enough that it doesn't even make sense to attempt to have a discussion with you.

As for the rest of your point, just how many hundred aircraft are you planning to order from each of those three vendors to justify them to set up a line capable of 30 aircraft a year (or 20 for HAL)?