Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[Bikramjeet Goswami]

How can you be so confident about real capabilities of J-20 when it is still heavily underpowered by using WS-10C engines ? Reports about all chinese hardwares deployed in active warzones say otherwise. Have confidence on AMCA.

No, we are not confident about real-world capabilities of J 20. We are also not confident about real-world capabilities of Tejas & Tejas MK 1. Even the Rafales India has purchased at great cost have never faced a peer adversary.
But what we do know for sure is that HAL has never met the timelines it had set for itself. Now whether that is the fault of HAL, ADA, Govt. or Air Force is up for debate. But their poor performance is undeniable.

 

[Akshat]

Those Chinese jets are not really fifth generation stealth fighters at all. China regularly makes claims of it being a technology marvel. Every Chinese weapon or technology developed is always riddled with faults, unreliable technology, poor metal and material composition, big radar faults and unable to detect jets at the long range they say it can do and it requires a very large radar cross section before it can detect threats, unreliable and poor performance of its missiles and bombs, major engine problems with poor metal composition and not able to provide the amount of thrust it can claim it can do and it has a low number of flight hours before the engine is finished etc.

Despite having a very low number of jets we still have a very good capability to defend. India has developed a integrated SAM defence shield which can take out jets before they can cross the border by using the ballistic missile defence shield, S400, MR-SAM, Akash, Spyder, SAMAR MK1 and MK2 and more upcoming SAM like QRSAM, Akash NG and Project Kusha which is the indigenous S400 SAM and more.

There's just so much wrong with China's weapons and technology which it never reveals as it continues to maintain its very high superiority perception over other countries. Also we do need more fighter jets and progress is being made but it's far too slow and the government should consider giving a license to several private sector companies to manufacture the jets much more quickly without the government having to open expensive new buildings and production lines whereas the private sector can use their existing facilities and workers.

Again. There may be a lot of faults with their systems. But at least they have those systems. A bird in hand is always better than 2 in the bush. Even if their J20
Is not a true stealth plane, it will still have a RCS lower than our Su30 or Tejas (with weapons). They can make them in numbers when need be. Unlike our AMCA which is non existent. If having SAMs was enough, no one would have developed fighter jets. SAMs can’t replace fighter jets. And China also has S400. So they have a huge advantage because our DRDO and HAL have failed us miserably,

 

[Indranil Sarkar]

Our weapon makers have turned into paper plane makers, endlessly speculating, fantasizing, and daydreaming, only to delay again and again, so they can speculate and fantasize further. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

And make more money by dangling carrots ..
To dream is good but let's be realistic.

Even existing Tejas mark1 has 28 critical caveats. mark 1a addressed some of them, making it a 4++ generation fighter.

So reality is we can only make 4++ generation fighters as of now.

Tejas mark 2a (not initial prototype mark2) will be India's first 4.5 gen fighter, which is still at least around 6 to 7 away from entering production till 2031.

Earliest AMCA prototype will be out only in around 2035 at the earliest realistically speaking. And that also without 3 key features of true 5th gen jets 1. Superceuise. 2. Proper stealth 3. Internal weapons bay ... And this information is available on the internet.

So realistically speaking, our AMCA2 with all these features and true 5th gen fighter will only be possible in around 2040.

 

[Bharat007]

Again. There may be a lot of faults with their systems. But at least they have those systems. A bird in hand is always better than 2 in the bush. Even if their J20
Is not a true stealth plane, it will still have a RCS lower than our Su30 or Tejas (with weapons). They can make them in numbers when need be. Unlike our AMCA which is non existent. If having SAMs was enough, no one would have developed fighter jets. SAMs can’t replace fighter jets. And China also has S400. So they have a huge advantage because our DRDO and HAL have failed us miserably,

I second you. You talks sense. I respect folks who engage in rational debate based on facts.

China has mass produced J-20 as well. I believe, they are continuously updating and sharpening it.May be in 2030 they might have atleast 300 J-20s while India is still testing first prototype. Quantity has its own quality in battlefield.

 

[Bharat007]

The best tech on AMCA is the invisibility tech. Won't be visible to anyone for next 2 decades.

I may not live to see it in real life. I am already crossing mid life.

 

[BnglrTester]

Do remember that HAL is the manufacturer here, and there is such a thing as manufacturer's bias. Take everything they say with a grain of salt.

Where is HAL in this ? ADA is not hal.

 

[Anand S Jha]

AMCA must have capability of vertical takeoff and landing also

 

[Ketan Yadav]

It will be very good to integrate modern assets into the AMCA because it will increase its tactical flexibility as well as lowers down the immediate need for 6th Gen fighter jet for atleast few years. In the meantime, we will have more upgraded public and private industries to boost defence sector which will then easily meet our needs for 6th Gen jet with more streamline production.

 

[beencensured]

Lol, not 'a grain of salt", but "factories of salt"!

Perhaps, you are saying they are the salt of the earth?

 

[Aayush Pratap]

Lol, as expected....IAF wants this plane to fight the war on Battlestar Galactica. They will continue to ask for random sci-fi fanboy upgrades instead of following what sanity dictates...build a simple F-22 first (vanilla 5th gen with rcs 1/10 of Rafale) before asking for Lasers, Anti-Gravity, Water-Landing, Moon-flying etc.

This is exactly what Mr. Parrikar said when he became DM. He was taken aback by the unrealistic requirements.

 

[The Presence]

Those Chinese jets are not really fifth generation stealth fighters at all. China regularly makes claims of it being a technology marvel. Every Chinese weapon or technology developed is always riddled with faults, unreliable technology, poor metal and material composition, big radar faults and unable to detect jets at the long range they say it can do and it requires a very large radar cross section before it can detect threats, unreliable and poor performance of its missiles and bombs, major engine problems with poor metal composition and not able to provide the amount of thrust it can claim it can do and it has a low number of flight hours before the engine is finished etc. There's just so much wrong which China never reveals as it continues to maintain its superiority perception over other countries.

Say whatever you want, but they are multiple times bigger an economy & have a much better efficiency due to high levels of indigenisation.
During war between 2 equals, even if I consider them as equals, only efficiency matters. For every 10 aircrafts lost, China could reproduce 8-9 aircrafts whereas India could produce only 4-5 in a fixed amount of time.

 

[Pink Panther]

How can you be so confident about real capabilities of J-20 when it is still heavily underpowered by using WS-10C engines ? Reports about all chinese hardwares deployed in active warzones say otherwise. Have confidence on AMCA.

Only in India they can feel proud about their drawing and keep talking about it or compare it with real 5th gen jet that flies.

 

[Pad UwU]

HAL always daydreaming and AMCA is still a paper overspec overhype 5gen wannabe aircraft that doesn't even have a working prototype 😹😹😹

 

[Pad UwU]

Bharat doesn't have other options except to rely on indigenous development of AMCA including their power plants . For now, mass produced Tejas variants will do the job .Our skilled pilots flying 0.3 sq metre RCS Tejas armed with Astra variants can well shoot down any PLAAF fighters including J-20 in potential aerial engagement over Tibetan sky .

Get some coolaid bruh, facts is facts AMCA is paper specs 5gen wannabe without any working prototype

 

[shivkumar sinha]

Only in India they can feel proud about their drawing and keep talking about it or compare it with real 5th gen jet that flies.

Only some traitors extoll PLA papercats and their paper fighters. On the ground, what happened to them in Galwan, Pangong so and Yangste are well publicised and known to all . The day ,J-20 shoots down a single Tejas , Rafal e or Sukhois , people should talk about them . Till then , don't extoll papercats.

 

[shivkumar sinha]

Get some coolaid bruh, facts is facts AMCA is paper specs 5gen wannabe without any working prototype

I am not claiming AMCA is flying. I only mean that J-20 is only a paper dragon. Current inventory of IAF is sufficient to make them mincemeat over Tibetan sky. Do you think PLA papercats are silent over our aggressive infrastructure development on LAC without reason? The day, CCP has perception of even 1% of their military superiority, they will not waste a minute from attacking across LAC as they are fully aware that India,not US ,is real rival of China.

 

[Mridul baruah]

I may not live to see it in real life. I am already crossing mid life.

Don't worry I was in class 6 when Tejas made its first flight....and my kid is in Class 10 now. I hope things will improve from here.

 

[Pink Panther]

Only some traitors extoll PLA papercats and their paper fighters. On the ground, what happened to them in Galwan, Pangong so and Yangste are well publicised and known to all . The day ,J-20 shoots down a single Tejas , Rafal e or Sukhois , people should talk about them . Till then , don't extoll papercats.

As if if somebody went and touched those jets to determine they are paper planes, we can't blindly assume and be under or un prepared, it's better that we assume that they have real 5th gen jets and be extra prepared to face them, otherwise we have to loose a lot.

 

[Pad UwU]

I am not claiming AMCA is flying. I only mean that J-20 is only a paper dragon. Current inventory of IAF is sufficient to make them mincemeat over Tibetan sky. Do you think PLA papercats are silent over our aggressive infrastructure development on LAC without reason? The day, CCP has perception of even 1% of their military superiority, they will not waste a minute from attacking across LAC as they are fully aware that India,not US ,is real rival of China.

LMAO j20 paper dragon vs AMCA is literally paper without anything to prove.... Get real bruh... Even tho China is enemy we should not get on our ego and always vigilant.... Over confidence and prideful keeps soldier on the spot when it start stepping on battlefield because of lack of experience 😹😹😹

 

[Pad UwU]

Again. There may be a lot of faults with their systems. But at least they have those systems. A bird in hand is always better than 2 in the bush. Even if their J20
Is not a true stealth plane, it will still have a RCS lower than our Su30 or Tejas (with weapons). They can make them in numbers when need be. Unlike our AMCA which is non existent. If having SAMs was enough, no one would have developed fighter jets. SAMs can’t replace fighter jets. And China also has S400. So they have a huge advantage because our DRDO and HAL have failed us miserably,

👏your right hope this little fella understand your explanation on this one

 

[Pad UwU]

Only some traitors extoll PLA papercats and their paper fighters. On the ground, what happened to them in Galwan, Pangong so and Yangste are well publicised and known to all . The day ,J-20 shoots down a single Tejas , Rafal e or Sukhois , people should talk about them . Till then , don't extoll papercats.

Get some help, try to touch some grass and find a l3wd bbb¡Tch to slap on. Stop malding and coping 🙃 it's bad for your help

 

[Pad UwU]

Only i was in the Forum to say AMCA MK1 is 5.5TH Gen & AMCA MK2 is 6th Gen Features

6 gen on CGI trailers and paper without any working prototype 😹😹😹

 

[Sandeep]

I second you. You talks sense. I respect folks who engage in rational debate based on facts.

China has mass produced J-20 as well. I believe, they are continuously updating and sharpening it.May be in 2030 they might have atleast 300 J-20s while India is still testing first prototype. Quantity has its own quality in battlefield.

Yes of course it's always better to have more jets regardless of its capabilities. I'm simply stating that our integrated SAM and air defence shield plays a big role as most modern Air Force around the world mostly allows SAM to take out incoming threats and they are backed up with our jets so our air defence capabilities isn't as weak as people might think so.

We are also going to modernise our Sukhoi jets into the Super Sukhoi which will be a complete overhaul and install more modern indigenous jet technology like radars and jet computer etc. We will also overhaul our other jets to extend its life service which will allow us more time to make more Tejas MK1A jets. We could of reverse engineered and produce more Sukhoi or Mig jets like what China does regularly by disregarding signed technology and critical parts contracts to cut down on foreign expensive imports from Russia.

With the AMCA program we have been given permission to build several prototype jet which will allow us to manufacture the jet and install all of the indigenous technology, parts, components, sensors etc that we have developed and tested to a certain extent so progress has been made but it has been slow as well because we are developing most of the technology 100% indigenously to cut down on expensive foreign imports which keeps us reliant on foreign technology.

 

[Sandeep]

Say whatever you want, but they are multiple times bigger an economy & have a much better efficiency due to high levels of indigenisation.
During war between 2 equals, even if I consider them as equals, only efficiency matters. For every 10 aircrafts lost, China could reproduce 8-9 aircrafts whereas India could produce only 4-5 in a fixed amount of time.

China can't go to war against India because of the nuclear threat that we will fire several nuclear missiles against them if they launch any major military offensive thrust against us. This is because we might have a weaker military in some areas so the only way to stop China is the threat of us launching a devastating strike against them to save our military and country.

Despite having a large economy thanks to the western world by importing heavily from them, which they now regret because they are too heavily reliant on China for raw materials and manufacturing products that the west need. The only way we can beat China militarily is nuclear weapons and economically we need to hike import duty, tax and increase subsidies support to get more manufacturing factories into a service.

 

[Sandeep]

EVEN the proposed AMCA MK1 is . likely to be a 5th generation fighter and will likely be just another 4.5++ generation fighter. We after all dont have any expertise in die-electric composites and until recently were also importing the composite fiber materials. Dielectric composites have a very different chemical composition as compared to Carbon Fiber Reinforced Polymer (CFRP).

Current stealth fighters don't have a 100% complete stealth technology as our jet radar or IRST can detect it from many different angles on certain parts of the jet.

 

[kumar]

Deliver the goods first. Then talk.

 

[desigandu]

Good to be ambitious but this is pure gas...AMCA must aim high but be realistic and understand that we neither have the money, nor R&D capability nor the processes to get world-class overnight...This is a long term journey and it is okay to be behind as long as we have a plan and know what needs to be done...If AMCA Mk-1 can have the same capability like F-22s (in 2000) when it starts production in 2030, we are okay, as long as we know that AMCA-Mk-2s will eventually get to the F-22s current capabilities, say by 2040...We must think in generations and decades and one idea might be to start some thinking/preliminary work on 6th GEN - best/fast way would be to become a member in GACP with a equity stake, provided Japan+UK+Italy play ball (I think they will if we play well and nicely).

 

[Navaneeth Krishna]

This is what you call A-class cope, they're doing this so they can justify the delays in production and R&D pipeline, someone needs to take action so this doesn't cause a disaster.

 

[shivkumar sinha]

Get some help, try to touch some grass and find a l3wd bbb¡Tch to slap on. Stop malding and coping 🙃 it's bad for your help

PLA propaganda can't prove me wrong until it shows its prowess in the battlefield. Till then ,you can keep your finger crossed. I fully believe in the capabilities of IAF that shot down PAF F-16 by 50 years old Mig-21. U need all type of help including psychiatric,if your loyalty is towards CCP criminals.

 

[sas]

I was born when LCA project was started and am a father of two kids still have not seen a combat capable Tejas wonder if I would be alive to see this wonder plane they are talking about