Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[BCharlie]

Khayali Pulav can incorporate the best of the 7th and 8th gen airplanes too.

Contrast this with how Chinese J-20 came into being.

Barely any speculative article were present in the media and the world would come to know of the existance of J-20 through an osint photograph of a prototype in testing.

Sirji, basking on the beach & dreaming does not cost us anything; its free; so we keep dreaming & coming out with computer graphic pics of our dreams; What you are talking about is the hard painful reality on the ground of our adversary China, which many here on forum don't want to hear. J-20 is real & out there.. as of today its 200+ with the PLAAF.

 

[BCharlie]

Considering Tejas's role and range, are you sure It will be shooting down J-20s over Tibet?

Sirji, There is no harm & it does not cost us anything by saying .. as we can take the back seat & still shoot down J-20 whenever we think & we want to;

 

[BCharlie]

I also don't want to discuss with china apologists . U can live in your dreamland . In real world, IAF will always beat PLAAF at least in Tibetan plateau.

Sirji, will beat or has beaten.. in either case its bad to be in conflict if we dont keep Tibet for ourselves annexing it if & when we take it from them Chinese.

 

[BCharlie]

Get some coolaid bruh, facts is facts AMCA is paper specs 5gen wannabe without any working prototype

But sir, computer graphic pics look so great & with our IAF flag on it.. makes us feel powerful.. We are on the way to 5th gen, and whenever we get it, I mean whenever, by that time the Chinese would be producing 6th & 7th fighters.

 

[BCharlie]

LMAO j20 paper dragon vs AMCA is literally paper without anything to prove.... Get real bruh... Even tho China is enemy we should not get on our ego and always vigilant.... Over confidence and prideful keeps soldier on the spot when it start stepping on battlefield because of lack of experience 😹😹😹

Sirji, so true as you said: "LMAO j20 paper dragon vs AMCA is literally paper without anything to prove.... Get real bruh..."; AMCA is just some lines scribbled on paper but there are 200+ J-20s active & ready for combat. We need to stop dreaming, its time now.

 

[BCharlie]

Those Chinese jets are not really fifth generation stealth fighters at all. China regularly makes claims of it being a technology marvel. Every Chinese weapon or technology developed is always riddled with faults, unreliable technology, poor metal and material composition, big radar faults and unable to detect jets at the long range they say it can do and it requires a very large radar cross section before it can detect threats, unreliable and poor performance of its missiles and bombs, major engine problems with poor metal composition and not able to provide the amount of thrust it can claim it can do and it has a low number of flight hours before the engine is finished etc. There's just so much wrong which China never reveals as it continues to maintain its superiority perception over other countries.

Good news as you say they are 2nd & 3rd rate dummies, not real fighters capable to being 3rd, 4th, 5th gen etc; So, why worry and spend billions to catch up to China.. ?? why are we going to waste so much money.. for nothing; as China is just piece of toilet paper .. Yes ???

 

[BCharlie]

Yes of course it's always better to have more jets regardless of its capabilities. I'm simply stating that our integrated SAM and air defence shield plays a big role as most modern Air Force around the world mostly allows SAM to take out incoming threats and they are backed up with our jets so our air defence capabilities isn't as weak as people might think so.

We are also going to modernise our Sukhoi jets into the Super Sukhoi which will be a complete overhaul and install more modern indigenous jet technology like radars and jet computer etc. We will also overhaul our other jets to extend its life service which will allow us more time to make more Tejas MK1A jets. We could of reverse engineered and produce more Sukhoi or Mig jets like what China does regularly by disregarding signed technology and critical parts contracts to cut down on foreign expensive imports from Russia.

With the AMCA program we have been given permission to build several prototype jet which will allow us to manufacture the jet and install all of the indigenous technology, parts, components, sensors etc that we have developed and tested to a certain extent so progress has been made but it has been slow as well because we are developing most of the technology 100% indigenously to cut down on expensive foreign imports which keeps us reliant on foreign technology.

Sir, I like the way you think.. its very productive ... based on a .... "We CouldA, We ShouldA, We WouldA" regimen;

 

[BCharlie]

Only i was in the Forum to say AMCA MK1 is 5.5TH Gen & AMCA MK2 is 6th Gen Features

Sirji, I like the way you think; .... So now AMCA is 5.5 Gen instead of 5th Gen & AMCA MK2 is with 6th Gen Features... Really ?? Sirji, my car has 4 muffler exhaust pipes... it doesn't mean it has four of the 4 cylinder engines under the hood; Visually & on paper it is, but on the road its just a 4 cylinder engine car with dummy visual features ..

 

[BCharlie]

Let's see the best of 4th gen first.

YES, Absolutely... and when it will happen .. nobody knows.. not even HAL;

 

[Sandeep]

Good news as you say they are 2nd & 3rd rate dummies, not real fighters capable to being 3rd, 4th, 5th gen etc; So, why worry and spend billions to catch up to China.. ?? why are we going to waste so much money.. for nothing; as China is just piece of toilet paper .. Yes ???

Nobody is saying that we shouldn’t develop our own jets and of course we need to manufacture more of it in India like the AMCA program which has received clearance. But we need to focus and make more nuclear weapons as that is the only major threat to China which is why they can’t go to war against us. It also gives us time to start manufacturing and indigenising our own conventional fire power and capabilities.

 

[PRO]

AMCA Program Reportedly Faced Bureaucratic Scrutiny over Cost Concerns​

India's highly anticipated Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program, a cornerstone of the nation's defence modernization, has reportedly faced bureaucratic resistance stemming from budgetary concerns.

According to India Today media reports, the program encountered opposition when seeking approval for a budget of nearly ₹15,000 crore from the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS).

Sources indicate that this opposition originated from multiple fronts, surprisingly including factions within the Indian Armed Forces themselves. The primary concern voiced by these groups is the program's potentially burdensome financial requirements.

The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), responsible for leading the AMCA project, seems to have experienced significant bureaucratic hurdles even in the initial approval stages. The ADA submitted its proposal for CCS clearance roughly a year ago, yet extensive negotiations with Indian officials were required to gain the necessary approval.

To push for faster approval, the ADA reportedly sought intervention from the Prime Minister's Office (PMO), expressing concerns that further delays could lead to the aircraft becoming obsolete before reaching fruition. This suggests a sense of urgency regarding the AMCA's timely development within the global arms race.

The report highlights Turkey's successful first flight of its TF-X stealth fighter, nicknamed "Kaan," as a potential catalyst. Sources speculate that this success may have highlighted the risk for India of falling behind nations aggressively pursuing next-generation fighter jet technology.

Though it remains unconfirmed whether the Kaan's first flight directly influenced the CCS's ultimate decision-making, reports suggest a combination of the ADA's persistence in addressing concerns and the heightened sense of international competition may contribute to the program's eventual approval.

 

[PRO]

AMCA Advances: Design Complete, Metal Cutting Begins​

India's quest to develop a homegrown advanced fighter jet has taken a major step forward. Dr. Jitendra Jadhav, Director of the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), announced the successful completion of the Critical Design Review (CDR) for the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program.

The CDR is a pivotal milestone in aircraft development, marking the finalization of the aircraft's design. With this phase cleared, the ADA can shift its attention towards the AMCA's physical realization. Underscoring this progress, Dr. Jadhav confirmed that metal cutting, which initiates the manufacturing process, has already begun.

The ADA now anticipates the next key milestone: releasing manufacturing tenders for the AMCA. This will invite participation from qualified Indian companies, setting the stage for a collaborative effort to produce this next-generation aircraft.

The AMCA is envisioned as a fifth-generation fighter jet with stealth capabilities, advanced avionics, and supercruise abilities. It is a flagship project for India's aerospace ambitions and aims to reduce the nation's reliance on foreign defense imports. Its development will be a crucial test for the Indian aerospace industry and could lead to the advancement of related technologies.

 

[shivkumar sinha]

Officials opposing AMCA must be working on enemy payroll. They are more dangerous than Pannun, Hafez , Masood and Dawood. They must be identified and served the harshest of punishment including secret executions . Bharat should have no place for traitors.

 

[sanket]

Metal Cutting, Initial step in manufacturing process has already begun .....................Good News.

 

[sanket]

They just want kick backs , want to settle in Foreign after Retirement.

 

[smitkumar pushkar]

AMCA is symbol of Viksit Bharat.

 

[nakul1307]

How can they be so stupid?? Must be named and asked to explain. What will happen to your treasury when china attacks with J20s and FC31s??

 

[Baiju Bhaskaran]

This shows how difficult it is to throw out the anti India import lobby and deep state from the bureaucracy and the armed forces.

 

[NSR]

Rs. 15,000 crores is less than $2 billions and that is a puny amount to develop a 5th generation fighter.
Summarily fire all of those bureaucrats and put in more technocrats with MBAs in those positions.
Deny all retirement benefits to these Gaddars.

 

[NSR]

Great news to start a day with.
India already has 10+ GE F-414INS6 engines so they can use them to fit test in the prototype.

Tejas Mk2 and AMCA should have started from the day Tejas IA FOC got cleared.
Loss of precious time.

Way to go!!!

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

This article is delusional at best, and just reinforces the idea that our DPSU live in their own sweet fantasy world that's detached from reality. "They argue further delays would compromise AMCA's relevance in global technological race" Time to wake up smell the coffee, AMCA is already irrelevant in global technological race. Both KF-21 and KAAN are flying prototypes and in fact KF-21 is way ahead in prototype testing with as many as 5 prototypes flying as of present.

"India risked falling behind....." seriously, our prototype testing for LCA MK2 itself is delayed for 2026 when the prototype is fabricated. Even HAL/ADA don't profess MK2 for being anything more than a low-cost 4-4.5 generation fighter and if they cant surmount challenges in fabricating a prototype for MK2, what makes us believe that they would suddenly succeed in developing a fifth-generation prototype without having any specific expertise in development of di-electric composites. (P.S: for those who claim India is already building composites materials, until recently we were importing composite fabrics and no Carbon Fiber Reinforced Polymer (CFRP) is very different material from di-electric composites)

Time to wakeup and smell the coffee, India is already behind and even the AMCA MK1, which is supposed to be a twin-engine 4-4.5 generation fighter is unlikely to enter service anytime before 2037.

Its obvious why bureaucrat's were skeptical about the viability of project. As demonstrated the timelines have already been deferred and they feared that by the time we may see AMCA it would be obsolete. Which is a fair assessment of the project that increasingly seems to be heading for disaster.

 

[Shafted mohammed]

Those who opposed or delayed must be giving compulsory retirement. The MOD must be cleaned of corrupt and incompetent babus.

 

[Ray]

Officials opposing AMCA must be working on enemy payroll. They are more dangerous than Pannun, Hafez , Masood and Dawood. They must be identified and served the harshest of punishment including secret executions . Bharat should have no place for traitors.

Those officials do such things on the directions of foreign weapon d@l@ls.
For decades, foreign weapon d@l@ls had access in defence ministry. NDA regime blocked their way to ministry, but still they'll be in contact with several officials.
But still they failed in there objectives and amca program got approval.

 

[Ray]

Metal Cutting, Initial step in manufacturing process has already begun .....................Good News.

But still many people believe mk1a will arrive after 2027 (already completed), mk2 will arrive 2035 and amca will be a reality in 2050.
Many people are still living in inferiority complex.

 

[Itachi]

Dear God if you really exit Jo Jo Officials ye project band karne ke liye koshish kar rahe the i hope uska family ko cancer ki bimari Lage ... 🙏

 

[kumar]

Every time, we need kick in the back for us to wakeup. The same babu are not accountable for spending millions of dollars for fgfa, for which we got zilch in return. And we have some here, advocating that what babus have done is correct. Trying to spread western narratives all in the name of logic. It took other country project for us to wakeup. When will we learn. Strength respects strength. If it was left to babu, we would never have become nuclear weapons state, since it is expensive to develop and maintain nuclear weapons.

 

[Anant]

Need it be mentioned that the amount allocated to the Tejas back in the 1980s, when adjusted to 2023, amount to roughly 1 billion dollars? In contrast, AMCA is taking around 1.8 billion dollars equivalent.

These bureaucrats don't seem to understand the fact that you can't just jump to a sixth generation jet while even a 4.5th generation fighter has still not completed development. Utter morons, these bureaucrats.

 

[ryan]

This article is delusional at best, and just reinforces the idea that our DPSU live in their own sweet fantasy world that's detached from reality. "They argue further delays would compromise AMCA's relevance in global technological race" Time to wake up smell the coffee, AMCA is already irrelevant in global technological race. Both KF-21 and KAAN are flying prototypes and in fact KF-21 is way ahead in prototype testing with as many as 5 prototypes flying as of present.

"India risked falling behind....." seriously, our prototype testing for LCA MK2 itself is delayed for 2026 when the prototype is fabricated. Even HAL/ADA don't profess MK2 for being anything more than a low-cost 4-4.5 generation fighter and if they cant surmount challenges in fabricating a prototype for MK2, what makes us believe that they would suddenly succeed in developing a fifth-generation prototype without having any specific expertise in development of di-electric composites. (P.S: for those who claim India is already building composites materials, until recently we were importing composite fabrics and no Carbon Fiber Reinforced Polymer (CFRP) is very different material from di-electric composites)

Time to wakeup and smell the coffee, India is already behind and even the AMCA MK1, which is supposed to be a twin-engine 4-4.5 generation fighter is unlikely to enter service anytime before 2037.

Its obvious why bureaucrat's were skeptical about the viability of project. As demonstrated the timelines have already been deferred and they feared that by the time we may see AMCA it would be obsolete. Which is a fair assessment of the project that increasingly seems to be heading for disaster.

KF-21 is anything But 5th gen in its current iteration firstly, Secondly Lockheed is providing extensive consultation to the Koreans. The Kaan at the moment is a glorified RC Model Aircraft at best with at least a decade way from anything "5th gen standard" fruitful. Also Turkiye being a NATO member has been getting extensive consultation from BAE & other western partners. There is a reason it suddenly appeared in the World Defence Exporting Map 5 years back. So India is no way behind & India has a complete different approach in its aircraft development ideology & is also going majorly indigenous way for its program barring the engine for Mk1 & with the technology & supply chain for aircraft manufacturing maturing over the last decade for LCA, things will only get better from here.

Bureaucrats were skeptical ONLY because they are going to miss out the HUGE Kickbacks from current 5th gen manufacturers. Its a Gods blessing that India has such a Nationalist with Hindustan First Policy government at the helm for long term for the first time since its independence

 

[Vijay Anand]

I have never seen any other country announcing each and every update to public domain especially with the crucial projects.

 

[Vijay Anand]

AMCA is symbol of Viksit Bharat.

With all due respect, the Vikas is getting delayed.... praying for quick induction