Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[venkat]

Koreans have realistic requirements, budget and firm dates. India has unobtaium ever changing requirements, no budget or cheapass budget and timelines on the whim of DrDO chairman or HAL chairman who lie at every opportunity

 

[Guru]

In conclusion Indian public sector companies and their employees have an assured future and pensions. They know if they fail it's ok. India can look to France or Russia for foreign maal.

 

[Pad UwU]

Nice dream... AMCA from initial price of $100m to $60m seems like utterly impossible 🤔🧐
Then why would we continue Tejas mk1a if sooner or later AMCA would be cheaper at $60m🤭😺
This continuity of bad PR is hilarious.... Comparing SK $7b budget and Turkiye's $3b 5gen budget to our meager less $2b😹😹😹😹 so that's the reason why India's 5gen is lagging behind to others because of it's small funding 🙃

 

[Pad UwU]

I want more prototypes to be made under AMCA mk1 to Fastrack the testing period. KF21 program even though -5 gen have 6 prototypes.

AMCA is still a 5gen only in papers and that's our current reality 😹😹😹
Funding it for a meager less than $2b show's that's why up until now we can't see it's prototype 🤭😺

 

[Pad UwU]

This article is full of oversimplifying and belittling success of others when one doesn't even have similar prototypes yet. Even TAI KAAN prototype is not 5th Gen Jet despite having stealth design features. It takes years of further polishing to make a jet truly stealth. Same goes with that South Korean one. As far as I know, India is building AMCA from scratch without foreign assistant. It is likely, India with limited stealth tech knowledge know how first prototype will not be 5 gen rather a 4.5.

Very true but many here are blinded by the propaganda of AMCA as way beyond 5gen only in paper😹😹😹
And our dang goodie ol so military expert's belittling others success.... While us still day dreaming 🤭

 

[Pad UwU]

They HAVE BEEN developing this technology(AMCA) since 2008. They have made every engineering drawing for every part. It will be fifth generational and better then Su-57 and compete with f-22. There is no hype in AMCA, only needs make prototype and test it. Even Tejas mk1a(one most highly composite fighter jet in market) has reduced rcs, so expecting AMCA to be better and as stealth will not be some giant leap.

Developing on paper and CGI as 5gen, but til now no prototype

 

[beencensured]

I doubt that there is no hype in AMCA. I'm sure the AMCA prototype will be 4.5 instead of 5th generation, just like the TAI Kaan and KF-21. This prototype will have to be tested and polished further to ensure that it is truly is 5th generation. To be truly a stealth, fighter jets need to be flight tested in real life. Only then through further improvements and feedbacks it can achieve desirable result. Comparisons with Tejas make no sense at all because Tejas is smaller in size, which reduces its RCS.

A person does not know an iota talk out of head. Tejas is highly composite fighter aircraft unlike your nonsense prototypes. Now, answer why they have been working on AMCA since 2008.

 

[Santosh Kumar pal]

India should choose GE 145 kn jet engine for AMCA 5th generation fighter jets.
But, I do believe AMCA is a "Daydream" project of lndia.

 

[bonito]

Considering the only country that has a true stealth jet is USA, I really doubt the AMCA is outdated.

Not now, but the induction happens in 2040.

 

[Alok Gupta]

What is the percent of indigenous content by value in our indigenous HAL Tejas Mk-1? Which our good engineers at HAL have been developing since its first flight in 2000, almost 24 years ago?

Beta itna kyon fudak raheho. KF-21 and KAAN, both have significant amount of foreign parts. Even the Amercan F-35 is not wholy American. It has parts mad ein different countries. Beside Russia, and France no other country makes a fully 100% indeginous fighter jet. Please don't mention China because 75% of their technology is stolen or copied. India is just noe getting intot the game and achieving 65% content is a great achievement. Once the radar is indiginised, that will bring the content up to 75%. Once the new engine is developed, by then the other sensors etc will also be indeginised and India will have a 100% Indian jet. There may be a lot of doubters on this board, but I am confident that in 10 years, India is headed that way.

 

[PRO]

GTRE Seeks IAF Support for Flight Testing of Engines Critical to AMCA and UCAV​

India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is making strides in indigenous engine development.

The Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) is leading two crucial programs: the Dry Kaveri engine for Unmanned Remotely Piloted Strike Aircraft and a new 110kN engine for the ambitious 5th generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project.

The Challenge of Flight Testing​

While engine development progresses, GTRE faces a major obstacle: the lack of a dedicated flying testbed for critical in-flight trials. Initially, GTRE proposed purchasing a Russian IL-76 Transporter for this purpose, but the plan failed to materialize.

An Innovative Solution​

Demonstrating resourcefulness, GTRE has turned to the Indian Air Force (IAF) for support. They seek to use in-service IL-76 aircraft as flying testbeds for both engine programs.

This would encompass testing the Dry Kaveri, the proposed afterburning Kaveri engine for the LCA-Tejas Mk1A, and the engine designed for the AMCA. Utilizing existing IL-76s offers a practical and cost-effective solution.

Precedent and Strategic Importance​

Discussions between the DRDO and IAF are ongoing, but GTRE's past experience collaborating with Russia's Gromov Flight Research Institute (which modifies Il-76s for engine testing) supports the proposal's feasibility.

This cooperation has strategic significance. India's self-reliance in defence technology relies heavily on successful engine development. Using in-service IL-76s would accelerate GTRE's testing and development timelines.

Optimism and Collaboration​

As GTRE and the IAF discuss the proposal, optimism prevails.

This collaboration showcases India's commitment to self-sufficiency in defence technology, highlighting the nation's ambition to become a leading player in the aerospace industry.

 

[charminar_waale_ismail_bhai]

Do rei IL-76 inn ko.
If you don't invest and take risk, you won't reap any benefits.

 

[sanket]

it should happen Long before Testing Engine in Russia cost more waste of Time it will b easy if IAF agree to IL-76 sharing with GTRE for Testing various Engine From Dry to AMCA 110kN -120kN

 

[sanket]

it should happen Long before Testing Engine in Russia cost more waste of Time it will b easy if IAF agree to IL-76 sharing with GTRE for Testing various Engine From Dry to AMCA 110kN -120kN

without proper testing facility how one can develop Engine........???

 

[Akshat]

Forget FTB. First make an engine that works on ground. Then talk about air. This is just an excuse. They are free to test abroad whenever needed.

 

[NSR]

India can never go far without the acquisition of the following

1. IL-76 type of plane for high altitude flight test. Taking engines to Russia is no longer feasible or trustworthy.
2. Twin engine fighters like SU-30MKI, Mig-29 and Jaguar to flight test its fighter engine models. Even Dry Kaveri engine can be fitted in them and tested on ground runs and simple takeoffs and landings.

Not testing them in real scenarios will not beget India a fighter engine.

 

[Superpower Bharat]

Forget FTB. First make an engine that works on ground. Then talk about air. This is just an excuse. They are free to test abroad whenever needed.

Godrej is making dry Kaveri... performance got from prototype is more than expectation

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

I cant believe a nation which wants to have an engine of his own doesnt have its own flying test bed. Govt. Should create a seperate fund for creating test facilities, labs all over the country, in universities.

 

[Akshat]

Godrej is making dry Kaveri... performance got from prototype is more than expectation

Has anyone said that on record? Anyone other than the liars and cheaters at DRDO. Or has it been cleared for use on anything that flies?

 

[kumar]

And we had people parroting how kaveri failed and Yada Yada. Without even investing in basic test facilities, how can we expect jet engine to be developed.