Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[sanket]

Modular design is an important hallmark of 6th gen fighter jets. F22 did not have a modular (upgradeable) design. That is why even minor upgrades cost a lot of money.

you are Right Future upgrades in AMCA will happen quickly.

 

[sanket]

Ok, lets list down all things AMCA is
- AMCA is future proof.
- AMCA is 5.5 gen.
- AMCA is Stealthy.
- AMCA is AI aware.
- AMCA is indigenous.
- AMCA is super fast.
- AMCA will have Indian Jet Engine.
- AMCA will have DSI intakes.
- AMCA will have thrust vectoring.
- AMCA will have support for network centeic warfare.
- AMCA has great 3D renders made by ADA/HAL.

Now lets list down things AMCA isn't:-
- AMCA is not flying

Umm, oh well!

who said AMCA is Flying it Future Project & Funds are approved so Tentative Roll out is 2028 End. second Thing that is Real difference between other on going 4.75 Stealth Fighters project & AMCA. They too b inducted post 2030 or in Next Decade. and most likely Block Building with Foreign Help..India is going well planned approach.

 

[Anant]

What's point providing your critical project's day to day update and future plan to world including your most secretive enemies ? Seems there is no policy, protocol and such plan is openly distributed to everyone.

Agreed. They probably should get someone to look over their OpSec procedures.

 

[CCPSmasher]

Another featuring adding another week..here goes to untenable status

 

[Anant]

who said AMCA is Flying it Future Project & Funds are approved so Tentative Roll out is 2028 End. second Thing that is Real difference between other on going 4.75 Stealth Fighters project & AMCA. They too b inducted post 2030 or in Next Decade. and most likely Block Building with Foreign Help..India is going well planned approach.

Depends on how you look at it. The fact remains that the '5-'th generation jets such as the KF-21 or the Kaan will be inducted before the AMCA. AMCA Mk 1 is a jet of the same category, and honestly does not look to be getting inducted before the late 2030s.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Depends on how you look at it. The fact remains that the '5-'th generation jets such as the KF-21 or the Kaan will be inducted before the AMCA. AMCA Mk 1 is a jet of the same category, and honestly does not look to be getting inducted before the late 2030s.

Kf21 and kaan, fc31 are pseudo 5th gen fighters at best. They are mainly made for export market, basically rich countries like saudi and UAE can buy them, since they cant get their hands on true 5th gen jets.

 

[Indeevar Sharma]

Depends on how you look at it. The fact remains that the '5-'th generation jets such as the KF-21 or the Kaan will be inducted before the AMCA. AMCA Mk 1 is a jet of the same category, and honestly does not look to be getting inducted before the late 2030s.

KF21 & Kaan are not full 5th gen fighters. KF21 is for sure 4.75 gen with no internal bay to carry weapons. As far as Kaan is concerned, nothing is decided as of now. It's bigger also, bigger than F22 raptor. No idea about RCS etc.
AMCA is going fine. We will hv to hv patience. No one will help us.

 

[nakul1307]

If we can solve production issues for mk1A, we can carry the momentum for other models too. So getting 12 to 16 out per year is critical.

 

[Biju UK]

DRDO has always been in "lala" land and in spite of more pressure from GOI remains hopelessly inadequate and the only thing they excel in are periodic bombastic statements. There is a lot of blatant lying going on and either the higher ups are part of the conundrum or they lack intent to set this right. The third possibility is that we do not have any other viable options.

 

[Sandeep]

India should First Finalise Foreign partner for 110kN-120kN Thrust Engine it will impact the Timeline of AMCA MK2 if is further delyaed.

They have already decided and signed a deal with Safran last year to develop a brand new engine which gives 100% of the technology and local production in India.

 

[Sandeep]

Don’t Evan post any articles as I know you cannot do it. Try to buy some foreign made fighter where the persons involved make huge money. How can Korea and turkey build one so quickly and are selling now in international market. How come Korea was behind India and now bidding to export the submarines. I feel you cannot do anything , don’t waste money. Tejas I can gaurentee if they roll out Evan 10 planes in 2024.

The only reason why they have managed to develop their stealth jet so quickly is because most of the technology, parts, equipment and components etc have mostly been bought from the USA and NATO companies. So South Korea isn't racing ahead as we are developing the AMCA completely by ourselves without any help which works out better in the long term.

Also the technology that we have developed for the AMCA will be 100% indigenously designed and made in India and it isn't a pipe dream. Currently they are already starting to make the items and parts now that the government has cleared the funds so private companies will be participating keenly. As for exporting their submarines they have again had help from the USA and NATO allies in technology transfer and they have had their military projects running continuously with upgrades and changes which incrementally makes each submarine more advanced than the last. India has never bothered until recently to design and develop their own submarines which take at least 10 years or more.

 

[Sandeep]

India has received funding so things will now start to move quickly. We will now move to the production phase now and purchases for the equipment, parts and components will take place. We need to move swiftly in manufacturing the first 4 jets to be used to test the technology but it will take time before production will even begin but hopefully no latter than 2032. All companies should plan ahead and make purchases beforehand or manufacturing the parts so there are no delays or time lag in waiting.

 

[Mridul baruah]

who said AMCA is Flying it Future Project & Funds are approved so Tentative Roll out is 2028 End. second Thing that is Real difference between other on going 4.75 Stealth Fighters project & AMCA. They too b inducted post 2030 or in Next Decade. and most likely Block Building with Foreign Help..India is going well planned approach.

2028 mein Tejas MK2 bhi ban gaya to bohot. AMCA iduction wont happen before 2040. India will be forced to buy Su57s paying three times their price as it will be a panic buying to counter Pak Air Force.

 

[Bikramjeet Goswami]

They have already decided and signed a deal with Safran last year to develop a brand new engine which gives 100% of the technology and local production in India.

There was a report just a few days back on this very site that India is close to choosing a partner for development of a new engine. 🤣

 

[Bikramjeet Goswami]

Ok, lets list down all things AMCA is
- AMCA is future proof.
- AMCA is 5.5 gen.
- AMCA is Stealthy.
- AMCA is AI aware.
- AMCA is indigenous.
- AMCA is super fast.
- AMCA will have Indian Jet Engine.
- AMCA will have DSI intakes.
- AMCA will have thrust vectoring.
- AMCA will have support for network centeic warfare.
- AMCA has great 3D renders made by ADA/HAL.

Now lets list down things AMCA isn't:-
- AMCA is not flying

Umm, oh well!

Government, Defence Ministry, ADA, HAL, Air Force - everyone seems to be day dreaming. This isn't Swatch Bharat Abhiyan, where you can post a few pics and claim success. A plane actually needs to fly to be a plane. I wonder when these people will wake up and actually focus on Tejas production numbers and R&D for AMCA.

 

[Bikramjeet Goswami]

DRDO has always been in "lala" land and in spite of more pressure from GOI remains hopelessly inadequate and the only thing they excel in are periodic bombastic statements. There is a lot of blatant lying going on and either the higher ups are part of the conundrum or they lack intent to set this right. The third possibility is that we do not have any other viable options.

I doubt politicians and even air force officers understand the realities of current research and production capacity in India.

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

The only reason why they have managed to develop their stealth jet so quickly is because most of the technology, parts, equipment and components etc have mostly been bought from the USA and NATO companies. So South Korea isn't racing ahead as we are developing the AMCA completely by ourselves without any help which works out better in the long term.

Also the technology that we have developed for the AMCA will be 100% indigenously designed and made in India and it isn't a pipe dream. Currently they are already starting to make the items and parts now that the government has cleared the funds so private companies will be participating keenly. As for exporting their submarines they have again had help from the USA and NATO allies in technology transfer and they have had their military projects running continuously with upgrades and changes which incrementally makes each submarine more advanced than the last. India has never bothered until recently to design and develop their own submarines which take at least 10 years or more.

And do tell who stopped DRDO/HAL from doing the same and accelerate the project. Their job is to develop defense technologies on time not 2-3 decades after world has moved on form that technology.

 

[Rajesh Bhatnagar]

Why we have started talking of 110KN whereas initially it was mentioned 120+ KN thrust, So why 110KN??

 

[Rajdeep Dey]

As we r arriving late in 5th Gen Fighter development, I personally think that we should develop AMCA on 2 options !
One should be a Single Engine Varient and the other should be A Dual Engine Varient !
There should also be a factor of Cost !
We should always secure bang on bucks technique !
Just like the US development of F 15 and F 16 !
For High Intense warfare and Dogfights it's F 15 !
But for Raids and Low Intense warfare itz F 16 !
I am damn Sure we could hit the export market , as a single engine Fighter would be more cost effective and easy to maintain!

 

[Sandeep]

There was a report just a few days back on this very site that India is close to choosing a partner for development of a new engine. 🤣

Yes that was fake news because it was published in the media when the PM went to France and made the deals.

 

[Pad UwU]

The only reason why they have managed to develop their stealth jet so quickly is because most of the technology, parts, equipment and components etc have mostly been bought from the USA and NATO companies. So South Korea isn't racing ahead as we are developing the AMCA completely by ourselves without any help which works out better in the long term.

Also the technology that we have developed for the AMCA will be 100% indigenously designed and made in India and it isn't a pipe dream. Currently they are already starting to make the items and parts now that the government has cleared the funds so private companies will be participating keenly. As for exporting their submarines they have again had help from the USA and NATO allies in technology transfer and they have had their military projects running continuously with upgrades and changes which incrementally makes each submarine more advanced than the last. India has never bothered until recently to design and develop their own submarines which take at least 10 years or more.

I don't think your right that SK are not in the lead.... Korean government and it's air force ink a deal of 1st batch of kf21 Boramae mk1 to buy 40 aircraft at a price of $65m each....

Doesn't matter if they get help or not.... Our own decisions of soloing and the development made us slowpoke anyway... Those Korean and Turks will gradually replacing each US and European components that they will develop for every version and batch they'll make... While us is still in delululandia waiting if AMCA will materialize it's oh so overhype ,over engineered and over delayed prototype before 2035 😹😹😹

 

[Sandeep]

And do tell who stopped DRDO/HAL from doing the same and accelerate the project. Their job is to develop defense technologies on time not 2-3 decades after world has moved on form that technology.

The biggest hold up to defence deals that need large funds have to be vetted by the defence ministry who then send the information to the finance ministry who need to look at the detail and files to make sure everything is ok and proper along with the CCS before final approval is given. They aren’t going to just hand over a billion dollars without making sure everything is fine and no corruption is taking place.

 

[Pad UwU]

Kf21 and kaan, fc31 are pseudo 5th gen fighters at best. They are mainly made for export market, basically rich countries like saudi and UAE can buy them, since they cant get their hands on true 5th gen jets.

Then AMCA is 5gen PAPER PLANE😹😹😹 with a 6gen PAPER technology 🙃🤭

 

[Pad UwU]

2028 mein Tejas MK2 bhi ban gaya to bohot. AMCA iduction wont happen before 2040. India will be forced to buy Su57s paying three times their price as it will be a panic buying to counter Pak Air Force.

Yeah AMCA is very fine in printed 3d render PAPER with oh so overhype, over engineered tech and over delayed date 😹😹😹 plus it cannot fly until the developer decided it needs a working prototype

 

[Pink Panther]

Let us have the Mk1A first flight and MK 2 production dirat

and future proof picture too.