Govt Should Consider "Over-the-Counter" 5th Gen Fighter Jet Purchase if MRFA Delays Continue: Parliamentary Committee May Urge

A forthcoming report by the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence is expected to reiterate its call for the government to consider acquiring fifth-generation fighter aircraft "over the counter" if the Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) project faces further delays. This highlights growing concerns over the Indian Air Force's (IAF) dwindling fighter squadron strength and the urgent need to bolster its capabilities.

The committee previously expressed concerns about the slow pace of the MRFA program, which aims to procure 114 advanced fighter jets. They emphasized the risk of it becoming another protracted acquisition process, similar to the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas and the Kaveri jet engine programs.

The committee's recommendation is to "consider buying state-of-the-art fifth-generation fighter aircraft over the counter, without losing time, to keep the force in a comfortable position." This reflects the urgency of the situation, as the IAF's squadron numbers continue to decline.

While acknowledging the IAF's current capabilities, the report underscores the need for modernization. The $20 billion MRFA project is crucial for this, aiming to procure advanced jets under the "Make in India" framework to foster technology transfer and domestic production. However, bureaucratic delays and the complex tendering process have hampered progress.

Currently, India lacks a fifth-generation fighter jet. While the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program aims to address this gap, the indigenous platform is still under development and unlikely to enter service before 2035.

In this context, "over-the-counter" acquisition of operational fifth-generation jets, such as the American F-35, could provide a temporary solution to address immediate capability shortfalls. However, this approach comes with significant costs and might bypass the long-term benefits of domestic manufacturing initiatives.

The committee's anticipated reiteration of its recommendation reflects a pragmatic acknowledgment of the IAF's immediate needs. However, the government must balance these short-term acquisitions with its long-term vision of developing a self-reliant defense ecosystem. While "over-the-counter" purchases may address immediate challenges, they could potentially hinder indigenous programs like the AMCA and the Kaveri engine.

 

[Invi Pass]

150 F35 for 20 billion usd??? Are you talking about barebones planes sir?

Each barebones F35 comes for between $80 to $100 million. So bare bones cost will be $15 billion and add another 5 billion for customisation and weapons. So total should come to same price $20 billion

Now if we go for rafale 4. It won't cost less than $200 million per aircraft including customisation and weapons will cost more. Now do the math and you will know which is more expensive from purchase price.

Ofcourse maintenance cost of a F-35 and flying cost is much higher but then it's a true blue 5th generation fighter jet not a patch up like any other aircraft.

Even if overall cost comes to $200 million per aircraft for the F-35 it will be much more potent than a Rafale.

 

[Invi Pass]

We must buy few squadrons of SU57 with India specific inputs. It will be much more advanced than any MRFA jet in consideration.

Russia is a failed Superpower. It's industry is in such shambles that it has to start using world war 2 era tanks from movie clubs. After what has happened in Ukraine, the west will never support Russia next 25 to 50 years and thus their weapons systems will resemble more like the Chinese. More fluff than substance.

I am not saying Russia is not able to design and develop a fighter jet. But it's struggling to even integrate a new engine with the Su-57s and even manufacture in mass.

 

[Radium]

The Russian stealth jets are unproven and mostly on paper, the American stealth jets are not on offer, China is our enemy with almost 500-1000 stealth planes by 2035, AMCA will not fly before 2035, GCAP & FCAS 6th gen programs may fly only by 2035-2040 and we are not part of it, Pakistan may get J-31 stealth planes by 2030 - so what is our plans around stealth jets for penetrating contested air spaces!

India should purchase the KF-21 fighter jet from South Korea. South Korea has already produced the KF-21 fighter jet in 2022, why is India's AMCA still on paper. As a superpower, India's military technology is not as good as South Korea's?

 

[Spectre]

Boss, I am not spreading rumours, but it is the most likely cause. The equipment would almost certainly not be at fault here given rigorous use and the like, and an equipment failure is unlikely given the submarine left on her mission immediately after reaching port and disembarking the rescued fishermen.

It doesn't even have to be crew failures. Many times, procedures do not take certain events into account, or the boat may have been operational orders to keep some equipment offline.

Please note that my intention is not to blame anyone, least of all the crew. However, what I am saying is that there has been some lapse in procedure, not lapse of procedure. The former shows an accidental error, while the latter is an intentional error.

How can you say operating lapse is a cause, why not tech lapse, any decent Submarine
can use a variety of technologies to detect other submarines and avoid collisions, including:
Sonar
Gravity gradiometry
Magnetic anomaly detectors (MAD)
Radar and satellite imagery
to detect sub surface and surface objects.

if this French submarine doesn’t even have the basics, then what is the point of calling it a submarine.

 

[Pad UwU]

$20 billion can get 150 F-35 jets or 200 Su-57s but then you cannot have both. But it seems our defense planners cannot see stealth fighters maybe they think they are invisible to the eyes.

Bruh forget f35 western alliance won't allow it especially US if we can't ditch out Russia and turn them as our enemy with the guidance of NATO... US may let us buy other aircraft but not f35, only other western option of 5gen that is already tested their prototype is SK kf21 and Turkiye's kaan.... So the only alternative option is su57 off the shelf

 

[Surfer]

Just scrap the MRFA & go for G2G 114 +26 Rafale M =140 Rafale under Make in India or If Dassault Resist or unwilling for starting Local Assembly Line with Eco-system then go for Su-57

Scrapping MRFA is OK, but buying 140 4th gen Rafale is ridiculous after French tech in Scorpene SUB failed to detect a huge unsophisticated object on the surface that cost 10,000 Rs and collided, when cheap Submarines detect good, after this incident it is really hard to trust French tech any more, India had enough already, India doesn’t want a failed tech anymore.

 

[Invi Pass]

Bruh forget f35 western alliance won't allow it especially US if we can't ditch out Russia and turn them as our enemy with the guidance of NATO... US may let us buy other aircraft but not f35, only other western option of 5gen that is already tested their prototype is SK kf21 and Turkiye's kaan.... So the only alternative option is su57 off the shelf

Anything is possible. If America is not selling F-35 then don't buy anything from them. Why all this Natak. Just tell them we will build ICBMs and make New York and Washington DC as targets. Then they will come running to you. The Problem with India is it does not know how to behave like a Great Power.

 

[Anant]

How can you say operating lapse is a cause, why not tech lapse, any decent Submarine
can use a variety of technologies to detect other submarines and avoid collisions, including:
Sonar
Gravity gradiometry
Magnetic anomaly detectors (MAD)
Radar and satellite imagery
to detect sub surface and surface objects.

if this French submarine doesn’t even have the basics, then what is the point of calling it a submarine.

Because it very much would have all that. Considering the Scorpene design is used by or on order from five nations globally, all of which have previously operated submarines, do you seriously think five nations' naval planners and officers would have all missed that point about having such crucial equipment fitted on the boat? Is that what you are trying to insinuate?

 

[Pad UwU]

Anything is possible. If America is not selling F-35 then don't buy anything from them. Why all this Natak. Just tell them we will build ICBMs and make New York and Washington DC as targets. Then they will come running to you. The Problem with India is it does not know how to behave like a Great Power.

😹😹😹 don't be mad it's reality bruh.... If we can't buy them we can still buy kf21 or kaan from SK and Turkiye's 5gen... Instead of nuking US why you didn't reconsider that we must reclaim Pakistan and Bangladesh plus Sri Lanka if we building more nukes#🧐🤔

We can join GCAP or swing all the way to Russian side... Ignore western dictatorship and be free with our foreign policy... Let China and US government go to war and be bystander 😹😹😹

 

[tipoo2]

Anything is possible. If America is not selling F-35 then don't buy anything from them. Why all this Natak. Just tell them we will build ICBMs and make New York and Washington DC as targets. Then they will come running to you. The Problem with India is it does not know how to behave like a Great Power.

Well this is the most delusional take I've seen even here in a while lol. Threaten to ICBM new york and they'll come running to sell us F35s? Jesus dude good thing you have no input in foreign policy lol

 

[Chinese eater]

And yet most of the top arms exporters in the world are Allie’s of US 😂😂

There is a unwritten truth that America scratches it's enemy and butchers it's friends