Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[Anant]

Danger posed by so called chinese J-20 is overhyped. However it is true that Bharat should be extremely serious in eliminating hurdles in the way of AMCA. Usual callous attitude will not work.

And what exactly do you base that premise on? I agree that the J-20 is overhyped, but it should not be underestimated.

 

[sanket]

Before 2024? Seems to be some error there.

2034 Foreign partner for AMCA Engine may b selected after Election so within 10 years Engine has to Ready to Integrate in AMCA MK2 Initial batches of AMCAMK1 May have GE-414 98kN Engine.

 

[Satya Dev]

I think we should shelve the TEDBF project so as to concentrate only on TejasMk2 & AMCA and develop deck based AMCA later as a supplementary development since the requirement for deck based fighters will not be substantial.

 

[INDIAN]

Tejas Mk2 development should be done on war footing ,now that it got the fund.

 

[ryan]

J20 somehow barely matches the capabilities of the Su30MKI & is unnecessarily overhyped by CCP Paid Media. CCP Paid Propaganda in full action mode to put fake pressure on US & its allies & India. J20 can be early detected by the BARS PESA radars designed in 90s & neither has reliable & suffiecient thrust generating engines needed for modern sensor fusion. So much for being "stealth" that too with stolen & hacked US tech

 

[Instant Karma]

Government has unnecessarily wasted a lot of time in trying to find a private company to lead the AMCA programme. No need to do so any more. Instead government should form a consortium of companies consisting of HAL, BEL, BDL, BHEL and MIDHANI as partners in the AMCA program and HAL as the leading partner. Ultimately all these companies are going to supply the majority of the subsystems of the AMCA program.

DRDO, NAL, ADA as the development partners and Boeing or lockdown Martin can be roped in as the foreign advisors.

 

[Ramsses CDXX]

Another #AisaHoingaWaisaHoinga 2.0 Absolutely no one in India has any idea on this. I was completely aloof of this. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

See ya in 2028❗

💆🏻

 

[sanket]

MRFA should b Fast Track . if current Govt Retains to Power then all defence project will b fast Tracked Deal for 26 Rafale Marine is Pending. with CCS Clearance For AMCA second part will b Engine partner slection and developing that Engine within 10 years.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

I think we should shelve the TEDBF project so as to concentrate only on TejasMk2 & AMCA and develop deck based AMCA later as a supplementary development since the requirement for deck based fighters will not be substantial.

We need to have jets for our carriers, without jets, carriers are basically super expensive targets

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

The subsystems are more or less same for tedbf, amca and tedbf. The only major difference are in design. Amca has stealthy design with internal weapons bay, tedbf has foldable wings, both have twin engines, otherwise they are same to tejas mk2 when it comes to performance, payload etc.

 

[shivkumar sinha]

And what exactly do you base that premise on? I agree that the J-20 is overhyped, but it should not be underestimated.

Simple. No chinese weapon anywhere in the world has worked as advertised. J-20 specially is not tested in any battle.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Government has unnecessarily wasted a lot of time in trying to find a private company to lead the AMCA programme. No need to do so any more. Instead government should form a consortium of companies consisting of HAL, BEL, BDL, BHEL and MIDHANI as partners in the AMCA program and HAL as the leading partner. Ultimately all these companies are going to supply the majority of the subsystems of the AMCA program.

DRDO, NAL, ADA as the development partners and Boeing or lockdown Martin can be roped in as the foreign advisors.

AMCA development is going to be super expensive. The govt wants to reduce costs somewhat by inviting private players who can make up the cost by getting future govt aerospace contracts. It will also lead to increased competition in aerospace sector in india. Win Win. Maybe other strat is required since it is not working till now.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Danger posed by so called chinese J-20 is overhyped. However it is true that Bharat should be extremely serious in eliminating hurdles in the way of AMCA. Usual callous attitude will not work.

the attitude has already shifted, this govt is extremely focused on domestic defence production, slowly the PSU have also realised that. Massive invested has taken place in recent years in defence production, we will see results soon.

 

[beencensured]

So Su-30 MKI may have GaA AESA Radar , while AMCA is going to have GaN based AESA Radar.

They will all have GaN AESA radars.

 

[beencensured]

Tejas mkII is supposed to be more aerodynamic and stealthier then Tejas mk1a. Tejas mk2 was envisioned as semi-stealth plane capable of super cruise. Tejas mk2 finial capabilities will be awaited. Nice they have sensor fusion, hopefully they will have AI targeting too on Tejas mk2.

 

[beencensured]

Simple. No chinese weapon anywhere in the world has worked as advertised. J-20 specially is not tested in any battle.

Let us not presume. They are successful in other fields like supercomputers and developing their own super chips. So, being successful in other areas should not be surprising.

 

[CCPSmasher]

Never had a long term vision but always the reactionist and chasing the enemy has the been story of this country. All these projects should have been cleared and protype must have been rolled out of the floor by now. Oh well

 

[beencensured]

Government has unnecessarily wasted a lot of time in trying to find a private company to lead the AMCA programme. No need to do so any more. Instead government should form a consortium of companies consisting of HAL, BEL, BDL, BHEL and MIDHANI as partners in the AMCA program and HAL as the leading partner. Ultimately all these companies are going to supply the majority of the subsystems of the AMCA program.

DRDO, NAL, ADA as the development partners and Boeing or lockdown Martin can be roped in as the foreign advisors.

Boeing and ?Lockdown? will not help unless you are buying their products, but then quality goes down as too many diverse systems to integrate. Why would a nuclear power allow a foreign country to tinker with its stealth. It seems irrational at best as they will pass all information to Pakistan like with Scorpene submarine leaks.

 

[shivkumar sinha]

Let us not presume. They are successful in other fields like supercomputers and developing their own super chips. So, being successful in other areas should not be surprising.

Chinese are trying to match western technology in nano chips and jet engine but are still a few generations behind. Now they can't steal easily from western labs and research centres as they could a few years ago .

 

[beencensured]

AMCA development is going to be super expensive. The govt wants to reduce costs somewhat by inviting private players who can make up the cost by getting future govt aerospace contracts. It will also lead to increased competition in aerospace sector in india. Win Win. Maybe other strat is required since it is not working till now.

I would not say super expensive. but for the amount about 2 billion dollars.

 

[Sanatani Yodha]

What pressure???
Hen china was building hundreds of 4+ gen Su27 and Su30 copies; J10c (Lavi copies) in year 2010-2020, what Indian Govt/ MoD/ HAL/ ADA/ DRDO doing??? They didn’t able to build 50 nos Tejas between 2005-2024……..
Now talking about AMCA!!! Its a joke…. Our apparatus simply can’t bulk manufacture with quality….

 

[Superpower Bharat]

Even US with almost 3 times of budget of China can't even has 200 F-22 then how China can maintain more than 250 j-20.. this is a question...it means it's a cheap copy of Russian jet...not truly fith gen aircraft...

 

[desigandu]

Key to Tejas-Mk2, AMCA-Mk-1, and Mk-2 long term will be the high thrust domestic engine (120-130KN) being developed with safran...If the JV can start producing this engine (post testing and certification) before 2035, then all AMCA's (especially Mk-2s) can have this engine and thus supercruise and the cooling to increase full spectrum stealth...India should also start thinking about 6th gen (at least start a project to plan) either by joining the GCAP (UK+Japan+Italy) or launch one domestically (formally by 2030) so we can field a fighter in the 2040-2045 timeframe, buth key again will be variable cycle engines (like the ones for NGAD) with high thrusts of 200KN...Long term Defense-Industrial roadmap, while transforming R&D via DRDO, Labs, private players and an innovation ecosystem is vital.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Key to Tejas-Mk2, AMCA-Mk-1, and Mk-2 long term will be the high thrust domestic engine (120-130KN) being developed with safran...If the JV can start producing this engine (post testing and certification) before 2035, then all AMCA's (especially Mk-2s) can have this engine and thus supercruise and the cooling to increase full spectrum stealth...India should also start thinking about 6th gen (at least start a project to plan) either by joining the GCAP (UK+Japan+Italy) or launch one domestically (formally by 2030) so we can field a fighter in the 2040-2045 timeframe, buth key again will be variable cycle engines (like the ones for NGAD) with high thrusts of 200KN...Long term Defense-Industrial roadmap, while transforming R&D via DRDO, Labs, private players and an innovation ecosystem is vital.

amca mk-2 will already be a 6th gen fighter. There is really no clarity on difference between 5th gen and 6th gen. Most experts agree that the difference is basically a quantitative one rather than a qualitative one. Basically- better stealth, better avionics, computing power, load carring capacity, range etc.

 

[Pink Panther]

So Su-30 MKI may have GaA AESA Radar , while AMCA is going to have GaN based AESA Radar., so Most of the Tech and weapons will b developed while Flight Testing Tejas MK2 so AMCA MK1 can Meet Time line . Crucial thing will b Developing Aero-Engine for AMCA MK2 with 110kN to 120kN before 2034. .

In 20 years when AMCA prototype will be made, LRDE will develop GaN radar, it is absolutely true, anything made for Tejas MK1A, MK2 and TEDBF/ORCA will be used in AMCA, hope and pray that MK2 and TEDBF/ORCA are made fast relevant to the time, otherwise GOI will be making AMCA when the the whole world will be flying 7th or 8th gen Aircraft.