Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[Rational Guy]

Key to Tejas-Mk2, AMCA-Mk-1, and Mk-2 long term will be the high thrust domestic engine (120-130KN) being developed with safran...If the JV can start producing this engine (post testing and certification) before 2035, then all AMCA's (especially Mk-2s) can have this engine and thus supercruise and the cooling to increase full spectrum stealth...India should also start thinking about 6th gen (at least start a project to plan) either by joining the GCAP (UK+Japan+Italy) or launch one domestically (formally by 2030) so we can field a fighter in the 2040-2045 timeframe, buth key again will be variable cycle engines (like the ones for NGAD) with high thrusts of 200KN...Long term Defense-Industrial roadmap, while transforming R&D via DRDO, Labs, private players and an innovation ecosystem is vital.

I think the current plan is to make AMCA MK2 into a 5.5 platform and maybe start a fresh for 6.5 or 7th gen.

 

[Sunnyj]

They said same thing that Mk2 is just a better version of mk1/mk1a and will be done rapidly, but still no sign of mk2 and barely of mk1a for that matter. It’s going to take a longggggggg time coming!!

 

[Rational Guy]

And what exactly do you base that premise on? I agree that the J-20 is overhyped, but it should not be underestimated.

It's certainly a potent fighter but performance in Tibet Ladakh remains to be seen.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

And yet Gotland class, French sub for Portuguese navy, German 212 sub got fix for US carriers in exercises even after all the carrier escorts.Don’t underestimate quite diesel electric subs.

these kinds of exercises are done with very several handicaps for the stronger adversary, such as preferable rules of engagement for the underdog. If these handicaps are not given, then there will be no point in carrying out these exercises. Also, in these exercises, entire fleet does not participate, there are few ships. Also, in that particular case you are referring to, that sub had gotten within several kilometres of the carrier battle group. That is still far cry from launching a torpedo or cruise missile and sinking a carrier.

 

[Pink Panther]

You Sir, pure and simple, are an idiot!

You too Sir are worst than idiot for still believing our DSPU’s and their work culture even after seeing all their inefficiency and incompetency this many years, old habits never change.

 

[Akshat]

My thinking if they can fix the su-30mki engine then the same people can develop an better engine. Just learn to award talent, and drop hand holding.

Fixing minor issues and making a brand new engine are 2 very different things. Minor air flow rectifications and improving the quality of toolmanship is easy. Doing metallurgy from scratch is not. But you are right. Learn to award talent. It just doesn’t exist in GTRE. So give the deal to Tata or Adani.

 

[Pink Panther]

Well once you have to develop the niche technology without the support you really can't just predict the exact timeline,
Amca project according to news kick start almost 1.5 decade ago but true reality is Amca was just an copy version of FGFA. Sudden IAF decide it is not satisfied with the FGFA program so without any further tech it just turn within & as I believe Tejas program helped a lot to build the confidence that we can achieve it. In this means time we didn't even get the technologies from the MRFA(no one knows when this deal will be concluded) so developing things take time, I just hope that around 2030 we will se Tejas mk2 & Amca prototype flying it will be too good if three prototype flying in the air with tedbf. It's not going to be an easy journey but showing frustration & saying bad things will not make it better.

I am thinking practical with no delusions, Tejas MK2 prototype may be flying in 2030 but not AMCA, according to current AMCA design, it’s an evolution of TEDBF/ORCA, so until TEDBF prototype is ready and thoroughly tested for production(We know how long testing takes and then the repeated revisions by Armed forces), AMCA prototype won’t be ready any tome sooner. In realistic terms we can expect AMCA by the end of next decade if we do it all alone, if a foreign MRFA jet is decided and if that OEM helps on AMCA then we can expect may be 5 years sooner, we also have engine delay on top of that.

 

[Pink Panther]

I think we should shelve the TEDBF project so as to concentrate only on TejasMk2 & AMCA and develop deck based AMCA later as a supplementary development since the requirement for deck based fighters will not be substantial.

It is not possible as AMCA is based on TEDBF.

 

[Pink Panther]

With jets also they are super expensive targets. All one needs is a missile to sink an AC.

You mean Rafale right?.

 

[Pink Panther]

Tejas Mk2 development should be done on war footing ,now that it got the fund.

We should get GE F414 in war footing for that.

 

[Pink Panther]

Tejas mkII is supposed to be more aerodynamic and stealthier then Tejas mk1a. Tejas mk2 was envisioned as semi-stealth plane capable of super cruise. Tejas mk2 finial capabilities will be awaited. Nice they have sensor fusion, hopefully they will have AI targeting too on Tejas mk2.

Yes definitely in 2030-2035 time frame and then we need to work on TEDBF/ORCA befor making AMCA prototype.

 

[Pink Panther]

amca mk-2 will already be a 6th gen fighter. There is really no clarity on difference between 5th gen and 6th gen. Most experts agree that the difference is basically a quantitative one rather than a qualitative one. Basically- better stealth, better avionics, computing power, load carring capacity, range etc.

We will make AMCA MK1 first, AMCA MK2 will happen eventually.

 

[Pink Panther]

My thinking if they can fix the su-30mki engine then the same people can develop an better engine. Just learn to award talent, and drop hand holding.

HAL has assembled at least 8-10 foreign engines in the last 50 years, They should have been GE or Saturn or Rolls Royce or Shenyang by now, we don’t need world class advanced engines, if we can at-least make an engine like old SNECMA M88 that would be a good starting point.

 

[MANIVANNAN N]

Why no country joining with amca development. So govt putting huge public money in this project and taking risk. Why pvt not participating in this big project ? So pvt also not ready. Any how timeline imprtant. Better time-bound fund releasing. No answer for many questions. Much more money also needed in future . Who going to provide. Again public money.

 

[MANIVANNAN N]

No friendly country to invest surprising me. Drdo may try uae for joint development.

 

[MANIVANNAN N]

Suitable engine also important. Trusting us very dangerous to our country.

 

[Anant]

Simple. No chinese weapon anywhere in the world has worked as advertised. J-20 specially is not tested in any battle.

Yes, Chinese weapons have been shown to not be up to scratch exactly. However, quantity does have a quality of its own. We would be better suited to not write off Chinese weapons either.

 

[Atharv Vaidya]

You too Sir are worst than idiot for still believing our DSPU’s and their work culture even after seeing all their inefficiency and incompetency this many years, old habits never change.

What choice do we have, sir? Do we have any private players here? Like lockheed Martin or GE or Boeing? No, what left then? We have to believe what we have and pray to god, we are right 👍

 

[abhinav srivastava]

Hope they expedite Tejas MK2.

 

[Neil Degrass Thugson]

CCS gave a go ahead to AMCA project 2 days ago and release of 15000 crore fund and they blame only the PSUs for inefficiency. Govt wants to cut cost so they won't hire new recruits in any department but have enough resources to distribute freebies in form of ration, pani , bijli and even money.

 

[Richard Thunder]

Simple. No chinese weapon anywhere in the world has worked as advertised. J-20 specially is not tested in any battle.

Time to stop being so native.

 

[Richard Thunder]

J20 somehow barely matches the capabilities of the Su30MKI & is unnecessarily overhyped by CCP Paid Media. CCP Paid Propaganda in full action mode to put fake pressure on US & its allies & India. J20 can be early detected by the BARS PESA radars designed in 90s & neither has reliable & suffiecient thrust generating engines needed for modern sensor fusion. So much for being "stealth" that too with stolen & hacked US tech

Are you a military specialist or Just a keyboard specialist?

 

[SK]

In terms of long term Logistical synergy & Economy of Scales, it's better that IAF & Indian-Navy should consider to form a JV to invest in:-

1. TEDBF (ORCA)
2. AMCA

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

We will make AMCA MK1 first, AMCA MK2 will happen eventually.

I know. But amca mk 2 will come online at around same time as NGAD, tempest etc come online. (Other 6th gen fighters)

 

[kumar]

To clear the approval, it has taken two years. Obviously, program will be delayed by 2 years.

 

[Mridul baruah]

Mk1A is delayed. Won't fly with a working on flight refuelling probe. Fir batein karenge 5th - 6th Generation ki.

 

[Anurag]

I am thinking practical with no delusions, Tejas MK2 prototype may be flying in 2030 but not AMCA, according to current AMCA design, it’s an evolution of TEDBF/ORCA, so until TEDBF prototype is ready and thoroughly tested for production(We know how long testing takes and then the repeated revisions by Armed forces), AMCA prototype won’t be ready any tome sooner. In realistic terms we can expect AMCA by the end of next decade if we do it all alone, if a foreign MRFA jet is decided and if that OEM helps on AMCA then we can expect may be 5 years sooner, we also have engine delay on top of that.

How AMCA is evolution of TEDBF(ORCA at least doesn't exit in any files it's just a fantasy), yeah it is true that Tejas mk2 act as stop gape LRU unit between AMCA & other fourth generation fighter but TEDBF is a different fighter just for the needs of navy it is just a fourth generation plane, Navy for now didn't intend to fly fifth generation plane.

 

[PRO]

AMCA Project Director Confirms: Prototype Unveiling by 2027, First Flight Goal Set For 2028​

India's pursuit of indigenous fifth-generation fighter jet technology is gaining momentum, with the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program poised for a major breakthrough.

Project Director Krishna Rajendra, in a recent interview, outlined the ambitious timeline for the AMCA, targeting a maiden flight in September 2028.

A Collaborative Effort​

The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) are leading the charge in developing the AMCA. Their efforts will center around the creation of five initial AMCA prototypes.

These prototypes will play a crucial role in refining the aircraft's design, as they'll undergo intensive flight testing. This testing will be used to evaluate critical systems like avionics, sensors, and overall combat performance.

Weapons Integration and Production Timeline​

Before the AMCA can officially enter production, a thorough weapons integration process must be completed. The ADA and HAL will carefully select the initial weapons suite for the fighter and subject it to extensive testing and integration.

This process, along with necessary testing periods, is expected to push the AMCA's production clearance to approximately 2034-35.

Development Milestones​

The ADA aims to unveil the first AMCA prototype by the end of 2027. To streamline the development process, the project will also include constructing a dedicated Ground Test Vehicle (GTV).

The GTV, a ground-based platform, will play a vital role in simulating various flight scenarios and testing critical aircraft functionalities on the ground before the prototype takes to the skies.

Ambitious Goals, National Pride​

The successful maiden flight of the AMCA in 2028 would symbolize a major leap forward for India's aerospace industry and its ambitions for self-reliance in defense technology.

The AMCA project holds the promise of not only boosting India's military capabilities but also serving as a source of national pride.

 

[Mridul baruah]

Get ready for tarikh pe tarikh, tarikh pe tarikh.

 

[sanket]

6 to 7 years still for developing Tech for AMCA by then it has to b tested on prototype . one of those is GaN Based AESA Radar.and 10 years for 110kN to 120kN Thrust Engine . Now all eyes on Selection of Foreign partner for AMCA Engine it may b selected after Election.