Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[Anant]

"If it all goes according to plan".
I really don't like that phrase.

It seems the folks at HAL have either not heard of, or not taken into account, Murphy's Law or Moltke's adage.

 

[Siddharth Asthana]

If truth be told... high probability of even Tejas MK2 not having its FOC flight by Sep 2028...........First squadron of AMCA (read 18 jets) will be handed over to IAF not a day before Mar 31, 2035....sad but reality!.............

.....only 1 scenario where this can play out better...next govt literally sl@ps and forces HAL to jointly produce with a pvt player..........an independent manufacutring facility....independent assembly line and seperate orders.

 

[Pad UwU]

I highly doubtful of the timeline 😹😹😹

 

[Pad UwU]

5th gen stealth fighter jets doesn't fall through the roof from the sky instantly, it will take a very long time to slowly mature, so the Korean KAI approach, would be the best way for us, make a 4.75 AMCA in the shape of 5th gen jet first and slowly optimize that to fully 5th gen jet

Kai kf21 Boramae mk2 is now being built at the moment, if I remember correctly it be 2027/28 it's maiden test flight....
While our own so called 5gen AMCA aircraft with overhype is still be a prototype in 2028 or delay 😹😹😹😹

 

[Pad UwU]

yes AMCA MK1 is 5.5 Gen Stealth Fighter Jet and AMCA MK2 when Enters procduction may b having 6th Gen Tech. it will b Far Superior compare to KAAN & Chinese Stealth jet.

Nope I don't believe AMCA will be having 6gen tech when we are just struggling for 4gen and 5gen technology of Tejas and AMCA

 

[Pad UwU]

They are day dreaming.Where is mark 1 A,or Mark 2.
Simply selling dreams and gobbling up tax payers money.
Look at turkey, they fly drones and straight away went to 5 generation fighter and we are struggling with 4 generation Tejas with drag and power issues

Very true, and many of our brothers and sisters are in reverie 😹😹😹

 

[PROVerified member]

AMCA Development Accelerates: Metal Cutting for Fighter Jet Prototypes to Begin Soon​

India's ambitious pursuit of a domestically developed Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is reaching a crucial stage. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is poised to begin metal cutting for AMCA prototypes within the next six months, a significant leap in the indigenous defence aviation program.

This rapid progress follows the project's official clearance by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS). The CCS approval unlocks vital next steps in the AMCA development, including metal cutting and the establishment of crucial assembly lines and jigs.

"Other activities such as setting up the jigs and assembly line will also start. We will also start the process of setting up the supply chain for the program," stated an HAL spokesperson, highlighting the ripple effects of this milestone.

The commencement of metal cutting marks a tangible turning point in India's drive for self-sufficiency in defence aviation. Designed as a cutting-edge, fifth-generation fighter jet, the AMCA has the potential to redefine India's aerial capabilities and establish the nation as a key innovator in advanced military technology.

Collaborative Innovation​

India's commitment to cutting-edge solutions within the AMCA project is exemplified by the collaboration between the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research-National Aerospace Laboratories (CSIR-NAL) and the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA). Together, they successfully delivered advanced IM7 carbon composite-based flaperons for the AMCA project last year.

HAL has been at the forefront of the AMCA'sdevelopment. In July 2022, R. Madhavan, Chairman and Managing Director of HAL, inaugurated "Metal Cutting for Titanium Bulkhead of AMCA aircraft" in Nashik. This was attended by senior officials from ADA and the Defence Metallurgical Research Laboratory (DMRL), highlighting the strong collaborative support the AMCA initiative enjoys.

Looking Ahead​

The impending start of metal cutting symbolizes India's accelerating technological prowess and dedication to achieving greater autonomy within its defence sector.

As the AMCA project surges forward, the nation continues to demonstrate a clear commitment to advanced aerospace development and indigenization.

 

[sanket]

Very Good News, 2028 First Flight possible

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

This is a golden opportunity for HAL to wipe the slate clean, and change its repUtation. I will personally become a lifetime fan of the HAL and will punch any guy who badmouths HAL in front of me if HAL is able to stick to time line. Acceptable delay- 6 months for first flight and 1 year for completion of all testing.

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

Better late than never.

 

[charminar_waale_ismail_bhai]

Metal cutting expected soon

Arey chup-chaap metal kaato na yaaron!
Har baat par Kejriwal ki tareh kaam se pahle prachaar karna zaroori hai?

We never heard AVIC announce on Global Times before the prototype of their 5th gen aircraft was getting ready, that the Chinese are going to cut metal for J-20 soon. Ditto for the Koreans and the Turks.

Grow up. Let your actions speak for you.

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

Very Good News, 2028 First Flight possible

Turkish developed and future Pakistani 5th generation fighter TAI TF KAAN conducted its maiden flight on 21 February 2024.

 

[Amit]

3 years back I read metal cutting for LCA MK2 begun and till now nothing is known....and amca metal cutting expected soon means metal cutting will happen after 3 years and then who knows if we can see the prototype in this lifetime or not...

 

[charminar_waale_ismail_bhai]

Acceptable delay- 6 months for first flight and 1 year for completion of all testing.

Aap dil kei bahut achche insaan hain.

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

Will Pakistan get KAAN?

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Turkish developed and future Pakistani 5th generation fighter TAI TF KAAN conducted its maiden flight on 21 February 2024.

So what. It was just a shell. The subsystems still need to be developed by them. We have already developed many of the subsystems as they are the same for tejas mk2 and tedbf. Also, we have decades of experience developing indigenous fighters. This is turkey's first indigenous fighter.

 

[Pink Panther]

Turkish developed and future Pakistani 5th generation fighter TAI TF KAAN conducted its maiden flight on 21 February 2024.

The main thing is we have already developed all the individual components, and sub systems, Avionics, radar and other important things, we still have a few imported items like refuelling probes, ejection seat (license make them ) GE F414 (licence make them), all they have to do is to create a shell with composites and Titanium in the shape of AMCA and install all these avionics, components and subsystem and test them all for a million times especially the radar reflections, heat signatures and things like that.

 

[Ayush Gangwar]

lol first flight not before 2035

 

[Sangram]

So they will wait 6 month for metal cutting, is there any muhurt ceremony like halwa before budget. 😂

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

We never heard AVIC announce on Global Times before the prototype of their 5th gen aircraft was getting ready, that the Chinese are going to cut metal for J-20 soon. Ditto for the Koreans and the Turks.

Bhai, ye hr baat par press conference nahi karte, but media waale har hafte inse updates maangte hain jaake, kyonki mere or tumhare jaise logon ko updates chahiye.

 

[Bikramjeet Goswami]

Will Pakistan get KAAN?

We don't know for sure how successful the Turkish program turns out eventually. There is still an immense amount of work before it becomes operational. I must say however that the Turkish have managed their program far better than India. Whether Pakistan eventually acquires the KAAN remains to be seem, the engjnes, avionics and many sub-systems will have to be imported and might come with restrictions.

 

[Guru]

Bad omen already for AMCA as it's chota Chetan LCA crashed today. Only saving grace being pilot ejected safely. Now who will buy this aircraft and AMCA is just another example.

BTW this LCA accident happens after it participated in live fire practice. Imagine when there is real war. Looks like they will drop like flies when confronted by a better fighter.

 

[Kirit Patel]

When Tejas MKII will have First Flight?

 

[Sandeep]

Bad omen already for AMCA as it's chota Chetan LCA crashed today. Only saving grace being pilot ejected safely. Now who will buy this aircraft and AMCA is just another example.

BTW this LCA accident happens after it participated in live fire practice. Imagine when there is real war. Looks like they will drop like flies when confronted by a better fighter.

There's been a crash with the F35, F16, Rafale and others around the world. People don't stop buying them and we still don't know the exact cause of it. There was some talk that there was an engine issue but more will be revealed in time.

 

[Sandeep]

lol first flight not before 2035

First flight will be by 2026 at the latest and testing will take longer

 

[Sandeep]

So although the project got official sanction just recently there was some preparation in the background with sourcing the materials and manufacturing the metal that would be needed which seems like some common sense still exists with HAL. Now they just have to manufacture all of the parts and equipment along with the technology as quick as possible so that they can catch up with the delays.

 

[Sandeep]

So they will wait 6 month for metal cutting, is there any muhurt ceremony like halwa before budget. 😂

It says the metal cutting was started in 2022. Manufacturing titanium takes some time

 

[Sandeep]

Will Pakistan get KAAN?

Very doubtful as most of the technology and advanced equipment is supplied by the USA and NATO allies who will definitely veto Turkey from selling their jet.

 

[Sandeep]

We don't know for sure how successful the Turkish program turns out eventually. There is still an immense amount of work before it becomes operational. I must say however that the Turkish have managed their program far better than India. Whether Pakistan eventually acquires the KAAN remains to be seem, the engjnes, avionics and many sub-systems will have to be imported and might come with restrictions.

Very doubtful as most of the technology and advanced equipment is supplied by the USA and NATO allies who will definitely veto Turkey from selling their jet to Pakistan. The only reason why Turkey have managed to quickly develop their jet is because of a lot of help from the USA and NATO. We are developing the AMCA entirely by ourselves.

 

[Ajath]

We never heard AVIC announce on Global Times before the prototype of their 5th gen aircraft was getting ready, that the Chinese are going to cut metal for J-20 soon. Ditto for the Koreans and the Turks.

This news was neither shared by HAL nor by ADA but by a private news agency.