Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[MANIVANNAN N]

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[Axszelll]

we have won 6 of 7 wars post independence with heavy dependence on foreign maal

Yes, we have won 6 of 7 wars post independence with heavy dependence on foreign maal but don't forget that the other party was also dependent on foreign maal

 

[NSR]

As it stands, Going Solo is the best way forward for Indian fighter developments.

Slowly and surely, Tejas IA, Tejas Mk2, TEDBF, and AMCA will fructify.
Just need time and dogged persistence to ram through to get to the milestones.

 

[beencensured]

Yeah, but I recently read that they are going to increase it to bring up to F-16 level. They have a lot of experience with maintaining 5th gen aircraft, so I guess that they have figured out all issues now

Tell me that after it achieves FOC.

 

[Pink Panther]

It won't, unless Russia is willing to invest a fair amount of resources and time into the aircraft. That won't happen unless they have guaranteed orders, or atleast a lot of interest.

Moreover, they can have all the stuff ready, but they still need to put it together and ensure it all works together, and then ensure everything works to the customers' satisfaction. That is what I wrote.

If whatever components, subsystems that we make for Tejas MK2 would go into AMCA, why wouldn’t the components and subsystems made for SU-57 go into SU-75, your comment doesn’t make any sense at all, this is exactly what Russians said about SU-75, I didn’t say it, do SU-75 prototype will be made in no time.

 

[Pink Panther]

Not quite. Many multi-national developmental projects have been successful, albeit back in the 20th century. Three examples are the Anglo-French SEPECAT Jaguar, the Anglo-Italo-German Pana via Tornado, and the Anglo-Italo-German-Spanish Eurofighter Typhoon. The GCAP project seems to be proceeding well, and the FCAS project is also proceeding, albeit at a slower pace.

Multi-national projects are hard to pull off, and of course you need to compromise, but they a failure there is an exception rather than the norm.

To addnto that
Historcally the member nations of such multi-nation alliances have been so called "White" countries of Europe.

Nowhere an example of multiple nations of mixed ethnicity participating in large projects have been successful.

 

[Pink Panther]

I am not talking about J20. FC-31 is still long way away from being inducted by pakistan. Even after J-20 started production, it took china half a decade to fix its issues.

FC-31 is the first stealth jet they made without Canards and tested, after this, Chinese started removing canards from J20, So FC-31 is almost production ready, they are already testing them in their carriers and would induct them anytime within this year.

 

[Pink Panther]

Agree...But India must think what after AMCA (at least start thinking and build a future looking team) and start work before 2030...Evaluating GCAP might not be a bad option if India can have equity, workshare, TOT and ability to manufacture domestically...Between Japan and UK there is a lot of capability (India will get a lot of geopolitical benefits), and 6th Gen planes will require lots of capital and R&D, especially around variable cycle engines...Yes, it will increase our dependencies, but given AMCA will operationalize (fully) in 2035-2040, we should not wait till 2035 to start thinking about what next...Currently, only the US and potentially China have the military budgets to go it alone, along with the R&D base, to fund billions into future programs, thus we need to be smart, opportunistic and collaborative, and seriously evaluate GCAP (of course Japan+UK+Italy need to play ball).

we need to think about Tejas MK1A first. HAL hasn’t started producing them yet, then MK2, then TEDBF and finally AMCA which is a far fetched dream.

 

[Pink Panther]

First make f-22 with stealth engine.

that is called NGAD.

 

[Harsh]

Russia has been a friend for decades and India must not turn its back on Russia...Russia will continue as a military supplier but mostly for spares, upgrades, MRO etc...India will also continue to rely on Russia for energy, Artic access, nuclear energy, space tech and geopolitical support...Nevertheless, we all know that most Russian technology (especially sensors, avionics, stealth etc...) are behind what the US typically fields (F-22s, F-35s, AH-64s, MQ-9s), and in the past we did not have much of a choice, but now mostly we have access (France, US etc...) and our military-industrial-R&D complex has been a focus with atmanirbharta (AMCA, Project-Alpha etc...), therefore we must invest on our own homegrown capabilities (while only acquiring cutting edge that we really need now/can't build domestically) to become a military superpower.

India needs to do its own, and unsentimental, evaluation of Russian and NATO weapons' performance in the Ukraine war. Not rely on opinions of troll -army of unemployed UK/NATO/US arm-chair experts.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Tell me that after it achieves FOC.

it already did some time ago. there are over 1000 F-35s worldwide in service. Just yesterday I read that F-35 production has peaked.

 

[Avada kedavra]

India needs to do its own, and unsentimental, evaluation of Russian and NATO weapons' performance in the Ukraine war. Not rely on opinions of troll -army of unemployed UK/NATO/US arm-chair experts.

The difference in quality was clear ever since world war 2.
It's the genius generals of the Indian military that agreed to Russian junk.

 

[Sudha]

Amca no need joint development. Then why crying for joint development of engine with Safran. Built it own.

Do you have a temperature? Visit your doctor. You do not make sense.

 

[Sudha]

Tell me that after it achieves FOC.

FOC has been done long back. Did you go on a tour to planet X?

 

[Sudha]

I think the main motivation for these is reduced costs. But you sacrifice control over the project. There are also security concerns regardimg sensitive info. I think france has participate in many joint projects for all 3 services but it has pulled out of most.

You don't get the TOT for the whole project.

 

[Sudha]

Agree...But India must think what after AMCA (at least start thinking and build a future looking team) and start work before 2030...Evaluating GCAP might not be a bad option if India can have equity, workshare, TOT and ability to manufacture domestically...Between Japan and UK there is a lot of capability (India will get a lot of geopolitical benefits), and 6th Gen planes will require lots of capital and R&D, especially around variable cycle engines...Yes, it will increase our dependencies, but given AMCA will operationalize (fully) in 2035-2040, we should not wait till 2035 to start thinking about what next...Currently, only the US and potentially China have the military budgets to go it alone, along with the R&D base, to fund billions into future programs, thus we need to be smart, opportunistic and collaborative, and seriously evaluate GCAP (of course Japan+UK+Italy need to play ball).

Yup till date china had the budget. But going forward I seriously doubt they will have it. Supply chain diversion is hitting it's economy badly which is already in doldrums.

 

[Sudha]

we need to think about Tejas MK1A first. HAL hasn’t started producing them yet, then MK2, then TEDBF and finally AMCA which is a far fetched dream.

Don't worry it is expected by end of this year or early next year till HAL announces a delay as usual.

 

[Pink Panther]

Don't worry it is expected by end of this year or early next year till HAL announces a delay as usual.

Hope it happens as they say.

 

[sas]

All this is is great to hear but results in aviation sector are not coming Tejas is not indigenous as the Kaveri engine is not built and the Tejas mk2 is also going to be powered by GE engine. As long as we don't master engine technology we are not Aatmanirbhar

 

[Rajsn]

The difference in quality was clear ever since world war 2.
It's the genius generals of the Indian military that agreed to Russian junk.

USA was not offering India anything. They were supporting Pakistan from day 1.

 

[Prashu Sam]

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[amerjit johal]

The difference in quality was clear ever since world war 2.
It's the genius generals of the Indian military that agreed to Russian junk.

We bought what we could afford.

 

[amerjit johal]

USA was not offering India anything. They were supporting Pakistan from day 1.

Not true. Nerhu rejected USA.
He even rejected US aid in 1962.

 

[amerjit johal]

I think bad experience with FGFA program may be the reason why India is hesitant to join Tempest program or other joint 6th gen fighter development program. India wants to have full control over the project. and IAF is a picky customer, it wants products that are well suited to india specific conditions. Also, these joint development projects like tempest dont have good record. Korean semi 5th gen program had indonesia as partener, and there were lots of issues there. F35 is the only success I can think of and it had its own cost overruns and delays.

LOL. India has nothing to offer Tempest program except a few £$.
However it would be a great for our techies to learn.

 

[Sandeep]

All this is is great to hear but results in aviation sector are not coming Tejas is not indigenous as the Kaveri engine is not built and the Tejas mk2 is also going to be powered by GE engine. As long as we don't master engine technology we are not Aatmanirbhar

There is more to a jet than just an engine. The engine is a crucial piece of technology that very few countries have mastered it and that's after spending billions on developing it with no guarantee of success. Kaveri engine is making progress as it will be used for the stealth UCAV Ghatak and we are developing the Kaveri marine engine as well which is showing good progress and it can be used for small to medium ship engines.

 

[Sandeep]

India made the right decision by going solo because Russia was not giving India any full access to the critical technology they said they would and wouldn't transfer or allow a large amount of the technology to us.

India can definitely develop the technology and capabilities and this will allow us to modernise and learn a lot by developing the AMCA.

 

[Pad UwU]

I think bad experience with FGFA program may be the reason why India is hesitant to join Tempest program or other joint 6th gen fighter development program. India wants to have full control over the project. and IAF is a picky customer, it wants products that are well suited to india specific conditions. Also, these joint development projects like tempest dont have good record. Korean semi 5th gen program had indonesia as partener, and there were lots of issues there. F35 is the only success I can think of and it had its own cost overruns and delays.

Nah you're not quite correct bruh... You didn't mention the other pan European projects ie., panavavia tornado, Eurofighter typhoon and others that are successful... While belittling the other countries who made its own 5gen like Korea, Turkey and Russia same goes to those Chinese chingchongs.... While our owis still in sh!tty drawing board 😹😹😹

GCAP of Japan , Italy and UK looks more promising than our own soloing with AMCA that still no where near to be found LMAO 🙃😹

 

[Pad UwU]

To addnto that
Historcally the member nations of such multi-nation alliances have been so called "White" countries of Europe.

Nowhere an example of multiple nations of mixed ethnicity participating in large projects have been successful.

Indian too have white people of the North so we are qualified too😹😹😹

 

[Pad UwU]

Russia has been a friend for decades and India must not turn its back on Russia...Russia will continue as a military supplier but mostly for spares, upgrades, MRO etc...India will also continue to rely on Russia for energy, Artic access, nuclear energy, space tech and geopolitical support...Nevertheless, we all know that most Russian technology (especially sensors, avionics, stealth etc...) are behind what the US typically fields (F-22s, F-35s, AH-64s, MQ-9s), and in the past we did not have much of a choice, but now mostly we have access (France, US etc...) and our military-industrial-R&D complex has been a focus with atmanirbharta (AMCA, Project-Alpha etc...), therefore we must invest on our own homegrown capabilities (while only acquiring cutting edge that we really need now/can't build domestically) to become a military superpower.

But many fools wants India to permanently severe our ties to the Russian drunkard's 😹😹😹

And go buddy buddies with the west instead while pretending we are now a superpower that can hold it's beer against Chinese chingchongs 🙃

 

[Pad UwU]

As it stands, Going Solo is the best way forward for Indian fighter developments.

Slowly and surely, Tejas IA, Tejas Mk2, TEDBF, and AMCA will fructify.
Just need time and dogged persistence to ram through to get to the milestones.

Solo🤔🧐
Among you said is Tejas mk1a is the only thing that are in real world the rest are still in drawing board and still decades behind in delululandia 😹