Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[Ashutosh]

The number of FC-31 aircraft Pakistan can afford is in single digits which they will struggle to maintain because stealth aircraft are notoriously difficult and exoensive to maintain.

Are u sure about ur statement that Pak will induct less than 10 J35 or KAAN!?

Again, are u sure Rafales are enough to counter J20, J35, or KAAN!?
If Rafales are mature and upgraded platforms, Chinese fighters too have gone through const. upgrades. The new J20 B with better engine provides better thrust to weight ratio and improved power to avionics.....On what basis u think a 4.5 gen fighter with no significant boost in avionics would be enough to overpower a stealthy aircraft with literally overpowered avionics!?

If anything, Rafale F5 can only have some clear cut dominance

 

[Mridul baruah]

Obviously, amca is going to enter in production after 2030 as as we started the project in 2010 so I never expected that we can develop it before 2030. And I agree we have to buy foreign 5th gen fighters

Beta 2030 tak ek prototype bhi bana liye to apna naam badal lunga. Production ko 2040 lag jayega pakka hai ye.

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

We should develop our own SSN

190MW is possible by barc

I hope so, there were great rumours around it, now there is no sound at all.

 

[Ashutosh]

Source?

Hypothetical story made up by over-listening Western propoganda

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

We should go for Su 75, if Russia manages to rollout and conduct first flight of the plane before 2027, since it's a SEF- it can easily complement AMCA when the later would be ready( mk1- 2033 IOC).

Pak already has 2 options, and they might induct J35 soon. We can't afford to lose the lead to them.

If you are proposing a cheap almost 4th gen non stealthy platform just because opponent has a stealthy plane, you are lost. First of all, pakistan even if it inducts it will be not before 2030. Then we have great multilayered airdefense systems coming in both north and west both in s400 ,barak and others and our own s400 is in developments. 3rd, wars cant be fought with imported weapons. So trust the military planners, we are mere spectators, they want to fight with indigenous planers.lets focus on those.

 

[ryan]

What a joke 🤣🤣🤣 .. mark my comment , sooner or later iaf have to buy small number of foreigner 5th gen aircraft because pakistan will get 5th gen aircraft before 2030 and about amca we will be very lucky if we see amca in iaf sarvice before 2040 ...

Bro, first none of these 2 options are anywhere near 5th gen. 4.5 gen at its best and that too a stretch. The showcased KAAN is at best a glorified RC model. Second lets wait if Bhikharistaan exists till 2030

 

[Ashutosh]

If you are proposing a cheap almost 4th gen non stealthy platform just because opponent has a stealthy plane, you are lost. First of all, pakistan even if it inducts it will be not before 2030. Then we have great multilayered airdefense systems coming in both north and west both in s400 ,barak and others and our own s400 is in developments. 3rd, wars cant be fought with imported weapons. So trust the military planners, we are mere spectators, they want to fight with indigenous planers.lets focus on those.

4 th gen.!?
How is Su 75 4 th gen!?

Secondly, if u are dependent in hypothetical possibilities that we would have a multilayered strong AD by 2030- congrats, u have already lost! IAF was also living in same hypothesis until Swift Retort which literally exposed the vulnerable BVR potential & skills of IAF.

3rd , a few numbers of a stealth platform to ensure CAS- and ur totally wrong statement - we can't win on imported weapons- sure we can't, they are vulnerable but if I take history in context- we have won 6 of 7 wars post independence with heavy dependence on foreign maal

 

[ryan]

I dont think so. Pakistan's 2 options both have just started flying. It will be another 5-6 yrs minimum to clear everything, then they get export ready.

If you really consider these two as Bhikaristaan's "options" then the F3R Rafale is enough for what they bring to the table

 

[Itachi]

I dont think so. Pakistan's 2 options both have just started flying. It will be another 5-6 yrs minimum to clear everything, then they get export ready.

J31/35 already in advance stages . 2/3 years Max then China will start introducing j35 same time pakistani airforce already said they will buy j31 before 2030 ..

 

[Rajesh]

SU-57 withered away when Russia took $350 millions to define Indian FGFA concept (SU-75 derivative) but did not let Indian IAF or any government employee go near the SU-57 prototype.
Russia asked for billions to develop Indian FGFA and India refused it.
Russia failed the trust test right there and then.

Russian fan boys still find it hard to digest and are in the wonderland that we will again go for the fgfa program. 💯. what u have written won't be digested by them.

 

[NSR]

Russian fan boys still find it hard to digest and are in the wonderland that we will again go for the fgfa program. 💯. what u have written won't be digested by them.

Totally agree.
Also we got very badly burned by Vikramaditya acquisition and Mig-29K performance episode too and Smerch and T-90 gun TOT episodes too.
Hard for fanatics to understand these things..

 

[Bikramjeet Goswami]

I always said that we are too over optimistic about AMCA as R&D is a time consuming process And according to recent reports Su 75 will be delayed.

Projects like AMCA needs to be made national priorities. Teams working on it should be expanded and resources provided without delay.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Again, are u sure Rafales are enough to counter J20, J35, or KAAN!?

I was talking about pakistan. I never mentioned J20 and competing with China. Pakistan has ordered J10 in same number as India ordered rafale. And like India has given orders for so many tejas mk1a, and mk2, tedbf,amca are in development, pakistan has no equivalent program. Pakistan instead has plan to improve jf17.

Pakistan does not have money. India has paid huge amount of money for 36 rafale. It will cost us even more for 100+ MRFA. pakistan cannot afford that.

When pakistan goes to buy kaan or fc-31, they will be export variant with worse avionics. And both will be super expensive.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

If a fighter with more than 2 flying prototype is long time away.. What about a fighter that is on paper and is going to be made by an organisation that has a dubious reputation with relaxed approach to work.

Difference is that AMCA is using many of the subsystems of Tejas mk2 and TEDBF. we have already developed most of the subsystems. KAAN is an empty shell right now. And it the first time turkey is developing modern fighter. HAL has multi decade experience. I know that I may sound overly optimistic, but I choose to believe in my country. In recent years lots of work has been done to improve infra in defence industry and new manufacturing plants have been set up.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

As if AMCA is ready next month, realistically we can expect AMCA between 2035-2040 if all goes well.

Yeah, I believe AMCA will go in production by 2035

 

[Muralidharan Krishnamurthy]

What a joke 🤣🤣🤣 .. mark my comment , sooner or later iaf have to buy small number of foreigner 5th gen aircraft because pakistan will get 5th gen aircraft before 2030 and about amca we will be very lucky if we see amca in iaf sarvice before 2040 ...

We should never be Reactive in our Strategic endeavour. An excellent decision in indigenous design, development and manufacturing of AMCA has been made. There will be powerful forces against it by overt & covert means.
Overt means will be to offer state of the art aircraft at attractive price range. That can kill AMCA. National leadership must not allow that pre mature kill.

Polical Blackmailing by arming a neighboring country thereby forcing us to purchase thereby killing AMCA.

Covert means will be used like sabotage etc cannot be ruled out.

 

[Indian Power]

Its pointless to pursue the SU 57. In terms of stealth it is inferior to American and Chinese stealth planes. Western sensors and avionics are far superior to Russian ones. Without significant investment by China or India the SU 57 has no future as Russia on its own lacks the resources to develop it to its full potential. Better to have a strategic partnership with Dassault to manufacture Rafales.

You think rafale is 100% with all subsystems made in France. Also Su57 is not that bad it can atleast easily take down a rafale

 

[Ashutosh]

When pakistan goes to buy kaan or fc-31, they will be export variant with worse avionics. And both will be super expensive.

Pakistan has already decided to buy J 35

 

[Mridul baruah]

Yeah, I believe AMCA will go in production by 2035

Ha ha...i wish your belief was based on reality. Will see about it. I say prototype won't be ready until 2035.

 

[Sandeep]

LOL.. Let me say what's going to happen. We will keep getting néw dates of roll out and first flight. By then Pakistan will be getting their 5th Gen fighters from China and Turkey. Then India will panic buy the Russian Su57s paying twice the price.

That is what used to happen under the corrupt jihadi party

 

[Sandeep]

Its pointless to pursue the SU 57. In terms of stealth it is inferior to American and Chinese stealth planes. Western sensors and avionics are far superior to Russian ones. Without significant investment by China or India the SU 57 has no future as Russia on its own lacks the resources to develop it to its full potential. Better to have a strategic partnership with Dassault to manufacture Rafales.

Your absolutely wrong. Russian stealth jets are much better than Chinese jets because most of the technology isn't as good as they say it is and it has major problems and faults with it.

 

[Sandeep]

India are definitely going to stick with its indigenous AMCA project and it isn't going to import any expensive foreign jets even if there is a delay in our indigenous programs. Also with sanctions on Russia and payment issues creating problems then it would be very difficult to justify trying to buy it from.

If there is a long delay then India can always buy a squadron of the single engine stealth fighter Checkmate which has a very low manufacturing cost. If we use it along with the Sukhoi, Rafale, Mirage and Tejas then it can provide a lethal combination and increase our fire power.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Pakistan has already decided to buy J 35

That aircraft is not yet ready. And pakistan is 2nd in line, chinese navy will get its jets first.

India has also decided to buy brahmos 2 hypersonic missile. It is a meaningless statement because it is not yet ready, and even when it is ready, it will not be in mass production for quite some time

 

[rtnguy]

Rafale F4 is superior in all aspects to Su 57 and 75 junk and even better than J31 of China which Pakis are getting. India needs to fastrack MRFA to purchase 114 Rafales, cancel LCA Mk2 and put all its focus on AMCA and stealth drones with French help.

 

[Pink Panther]

Ha ha...i wish your belief was based on reality. Will see about it. I say prototype won't be ready until 2035.

Prototype will be ready soon but production won’t happen for a very long time, we know about IAF and how they will change the specs and how many times.

 

[Pink Panther]

amca we will be very lucky if we see amca in iaf sarvice before 2040 ...

I think so too, AMCA will take a long time.

 

[Pink Panther]

Bro, first none of these 2 options are anywhere near 5th gen. 4.5 gen at its best and that too a stretch. The showcased KAAN is at best a glorified RC model. Second lets wait if Bhikharistaan exists till 2030

J31 is more advanced than J20, even in J20 Chinese started removing the Cannards.

 

[Avada kedavra]

Ever since ukraine war began many anonymous officials said that weapons Sales from Russia have been completely stopped.

 

[Pink Panther]

SU-57 withered away when Russia took $350 millions to define Indian FGFA concept (SU-75 derivative) but did not let Indian IAF or any government employee go near the SU-57 prototype.
Russia asked for billions to develop Indian FGFA and India refused it.
Russia failed the trust test right there and then.

We never know, decisions are driven by GeoPolitics, so anything can happen.

 

[Ashutosh]

That aircraft is not yet ready. And pakistan is 2nd in line, chinese navy will get its jets first.

Now this is what you call being overly optimistic: J 35 was seen in production ready final config( PLA Navy) just a few days ago.( I think u haven't seen that news- so at most 2029 for J31, right!?

KAAN - people say it's a shell, I also know that but what about the timelines!? Almost by 2030, it would be ready, so after 2-3 more years, Pak would also have access to KAAN.

And ur fighter's IOC is EXPECTED by 2033, and u say - yes still we can do it👏