Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[Sandeep]

This seems like a good idea and beneficial to all. If a private company wants the deal and start production then they have to make expensive land acquisition costs, setting up production lines, buying the correct machinery, setup facilities etc which costs a lot before they even make the first jet.

If the private company only has to build new production lines, facilities, modify any buildings then they don't have to make any expensive land purchases as they can use and setup whatever they need to do on HALs existing land along with their existing buildings or facilities. After that then the private company can focus on manufacturing and producing the jets rather than having HAL involved in the process at all except with providing the engines which they can manufacture.

 

[Ashutosh]

HAL chief’s own public admission. And no, it wasn’t on comma. They approved it in under a year(AMCA).

Similar ADMISSIONS are available on other things too- thing is that they actually never get real....just like AMCA project director fantasying about rollout of AMCA before 2029.

It was on comma...CDR was completed a while ago...files for CCS approval have been given a long ago....still more than 1/2 year delay.

 

[Ashutosh]

As per HAL chief, 2019/2020.

As per ADA( the designing team ) , design itself was not completed by 2019 and was on early state .....

HAL chief's whatever statements doesn't even matter here.

 

[Ashutosh]

The entire blame for Mk2 lies with HAL. Funds were granted in 2020 as per HAL chief and they blew it all and went back with a bowl to CCS for more funds. No delay was there due to engine issue either. HAL just burned 1000s of crores as per HAL chief.

When was funds granted!? Show me the official proof, not a statement of someone but official news by GOI.

 

[Sandeep]

All those are fake stories. If it was any to do with pollution, why did NGT nod for expansion program ? NGT even permitted to reopen the plant.
All the protest was from Christian lobby, 20000 people marched from Snow shine Basilica to ghero the collectorate.

The NGT allowed it to reopen but then the Supreme Court shut it again until they hear the matter on the pollution levels and contamination. Also it was the company which wanted to open a second plant but again plans are upheld until the Supreme Court dispose the matter.

Also your right about the local people being misled and lied to by local politicians and religious groups from priests and imams. Now those who participated in the protests are asking to reopen the refinery as they hardly have any income or jobs.

 

[DMS]

What u saying dude, in fact I personally know atleast two private sector enterprises producing 5 axis milling machines. One is in Peeniya, whike the other is based in Gujrat.

Those are MSME , not some crazy corporate croni like Tata

 

[DMS]

What u saying dude, in fact I personally know atleast two private sector enterprises producing 5 axis milling machines. One is in Peeniya, whike the other is based in Gujrat.

No where Peeniya website say their own design , they say distributor and importer.

Ethereal and HMT make own design

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

No where Peeniya website say their own design , they say distributor and importer.

Ethereal and HMT make own design

There is another company don't recall the name but had an opportunity to interact with one of their representatives few years back. But any way there are more than one company that manufacturers 5- axis milling machine in Gujrat. There is one in Surat Laxmi machine tools that also manufacturers them while there another in Pune.

 

[Frank]

If you believe that HAL also prints money then I have nothing more to say.

another re tard... hai bhagawan..this board is filled with re tards now.. what happened..

HAL has not even flown tejas mk2 which is a 20 year old program..

 

[Anurag]

And that exactly is the strength of private sector/capitalism. Profits. Give them profit and they will do anything for you. If you want them to work for free, then you will get DPSU like results only. Not to mention, HAL and ADA are not letting them participate as per ex-ACM.

How private sector supposed to participate when they know they can't make any profit as they know user end product take years for acceptance from the user!! They can't invest a lot like this without having a clear guarantee.

 

[DMS]

There is another company don't recall the name but had an opportunity to interact with one of their representatives few years back. But any way there are more than one company that manufacturers 5- axis milling machine in Gujrat. There is one in Surat Laxmi machine tools that also manufacturers them while there another in Pune.

Laxmi Machine tools do have own 3 Axis Milling Centre, dont know about 5 Axis

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Are u serious? HAL had all the freedom with LCA MK2 and were originally scheduled to roll out the prototype in 2023 but that later turned to 2024 and then to 2025. Similarly, they were originally slated to start test trials by 2025 but now they are likely to only commence in 2027. They had a very narrow window of opportunity where the induction of LCA MK2 made any pragmatic sense. Yet they blew it spectacularly. Its been painfully obvious for industry analysts for a while that the AMCA program has been delayed beyond measure and even the AMCA MK1, which is expected to be a 4-4.5 generation fighter will not see service anytime before 2037-40.

I agree with most your points, except that AMCA mk1 is a solid 5th gen fighter. While Tejas Mk2 and Tedbf are 4.5 gen

 

[Akshat]

How private sector supposed to participate when they know they can't make any profit as they know user end product take years for acceptance from the user!! They can't invest a lot like this without having a clear guarantee.

FOC comes from DRDO. So those acceptance delays are also on part of DRDO. Another reason to reform it.

 

[Akshat]

As per ADA( the designing team ) , design itself was not completed by 2019 and was on early state .....

HAL chief's whatever statements doesn't even matter here.

Only BAL chief’s statements matter here as he is the manufacturer. No one else matters at all in this case.

 

[Akshat]

When was funds granted!? Show me the official proof, not a statement of someone but official news by GOI.

When was the product supposed to be delivered as per the manufacturer? Already shown the official proof.

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

Laxmi Machine tools do have own 3 Axis Milling Centre, dont know about 5 Axis

No I believe they do now. Their website suggests it avaliable as a part of their product portfolio.

 

[Akshat]

Similar ADMISSIONS are available on other things too- thing is that they actually never get real....just like AMCA project director fantasying about rollout of AMCA before 2029.

It was on comma...CDR was completed a while ago...files for CCS approval have been given a long ago....still more than 1/2 year delay.

Files for CCS approval were submitted in April 2023. So less than a year. So no comma.

No similar statements have ever been made. You tried and couldn’t provide a single example. And if they were, then they will also be called delays.

 

[Akshat]

Yaha Jo blame karega vo ya to Bina date dekhe , ya to koi interview padhke , ya chu* yapa karne vala hoga.....

Official date is all what matters.....

Indeed. A date given by the head of the manufacturer is all that matters

 

[Akshat]

Official date of approval!?

Official date of roll out?

 

[Akshat]

HAL has given shares holders huge returns.

We are talking about planned to the IAF

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

Those are MSME , not some crazy corporate croni like Tata

May be u r unaware, TATA Manufacturing Solutions Limited does produce machine tools and yes they do produce aerospace grade precision machine tools.

 

[Pad UwU]

I only believe it when see it🙃😜

 

[Pad UwU]

Nope they bear responsibility because Tejas MK2 prototype fabrication was originally slated for 2023 but then postponed to 20024 and then again deferred for 2025. Even with revised timeline, they were expected to get the prototype fabrication done in 2024, but now that is impossible. So they cant escape the responsibility by shifting blame.

It's shows HAL method is inefficient of prolonging the work of mk2 introduction 😹😹😹....time is gold bruh

 

[Pad UwU]

Do you want your project in eternity? Well, then you go for HAL

Wadafaq that would be a great disaster 😹😹😹

 

[Tanishq Bafila]

Are u serious? HAL had all the freedom with LCA MK2 and were originally scheduled to roll out the prototype in 2023 but that later turned to 2024 and then to 2025. Similarly, they were originally slated to start test trials by 2025 but now they are likely to only commence in 2027. They had a very narrow window of opportunity where the induction of LCA MK2 made any pragmatic sense. Yet they blew it spectacularly. Its been painfully obvious for industry analysts for a while that the AMCA program has been delayed beyond measure and even the AMCA MK1, which is expected to be a 4-4.5 generation fighter will not see service anytime before 2037-40.

That's why proper knowledge is necessary, HAL got CCS approval to make prototype in Sep 2022 but the approval for utilisation of funds came in Sep 2023 , due to government new policy to have a amount of indigenous content in a product & f414 deal...

You don't make a product without setting a deal with other manufacturers. Blame HAL for not rolling out Mk1A by March 2024 but not for Mk2 or AMCA in both project HAL asked for private vendors for production of jets but no-one came ahead..

After a CCS approval a prototype comes after 3-4 years , that a simple thing in every jet project

 

[Pink Panther]

India is doomed, Very bleak prospects, No hope at all, with the capacity to make only 24 jets in all of HAL facilities combined, HAL needs to make Tejas MK1A, MK2 prototype, TEDBF prototype, AMCA MK1 prototype, upgrade SU-30’s and upgrade MIG-29’s, so out of 24 max capacity, three will be occupied for prototype development, so in the remaining 21, let’s say 6 are occupied for Super Sukhoi upgrade, 21-6 = 15, let’s say 3 are occupied for MIG-29 UPG upgrade, now we have 15-3 = 12, let us say 3-4 piers or occupied for regular maintenance of other jets., so the balance is only 8, only 8 Tejas MK1A can be manufactured/year., based on my calculations if HAL has capacity to make only 8 Tejas M1A/year, it will take 23 years for it to make 190 jets, what about MK2, TEDBF, AMCA MK1.

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

No where Peeniya website say their own design , they say distributor and importer.

Ethereal and HMT make own design

Peenya is an industrial estate near Bengaluru. There is one company - Ace Micromatic which has a subsidiary Micromatic Machine Tools based in Peenya. The company has been a key sub-contractor for ISRO for the last 2-3 decades.

 

[Ashutosh]

Official date of roll out?

Official date of rollout what kind of question is that!? Ban rha hai plane.....koi bolta hai isi December, koi bolta hai agle saal September koi bolta hai early 2026

 

[Ashutosh]

Files for CCS approval were submitted in April 2023. So less than a year. So no comma.

No similar statements have ever been made. You tried and couldn’t provide a single example. And if they were, then they will also be called delays.

Delay gg!
Well GOI is to be blamed for the delay.

The files of CCS have been sent way back....there have already a PIB report of discussion of approval of AMCA CCS approval almost 2 years ago. Go and check it.

 

[Ashutosh]

Only BAL chief’s statements matter here as he is the manufacturer. No one else matters at all in this case.

Are u nuts!? With no design what will someone make!?