Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[Avada kedavra]

USA was not offering India anything. They were supporting Pakistan from day 1.

They were not the only sellers in the market. Ther was France UK germany Italy Spain south africa others

Don't forget indias first aircraft carrier and VTOL jet was British.

India mostly used the French folland gnat and British hawker hunter jets in 1965 and 71 wad.

 

[Sandeep]

India has already laid out a roadmap on the AMCA project which is very clear. The AMCA MK1 will be a standard 5th generation stealth fighter and the AMCA MK2 will be a 5.5th generation stealth jet with having some capabilities of a 6th generation jet. We will only manufacture 1-2 squadrons of the AMCA MK1 version which will hold a lower amount of indigenous technology and equipment.

Most of our jets will be the AMCA MK2 variant because it will have a higher amount of indigenous technology and parts which includes the more crucial part and technology of our own indigenously developed engine with Safran.

These jets will be in service for at least 40+ years and within that time they would be developing our own 6th+ generation jet which may hold 7th generation technology, parts or equipment etc.

 

[Aravind Raveendran]

Considering our history of execution of plans .. It would be a miracle if we make a 6th gen before 2040.

 

[Sandeep]

India needs to quickly develop these prototypes as they are very important for our national security. We need to make sure that we place orders ahead of time, develop materials on time, manufacture it on time but we need to implement that on a larger scale for the large parts and components that are manufactured and used. At the very least we should be increasing the amount of indigenous technology and parts we use in each jet so it's grows our military industry and cuts down on expensive imports.

 

[MANIVANNAN N]

Hals track record not good. All knows. They will not give priority. As usal they design helis.

 

[Joydeep Ghosh]

Make it after 2045, the MK2 itself is unlikely to enter production anytime before 2033, and you expect them to suddenly succeed in producing AMCA, which has drastically expanded technology scope?

amca mk1 prototype isn't coming before 2033

 

[Akshat]

HAL is not at helm till prod versions are readied. Read the fine print carefully

During development phase more HAL engineers and scientists were working on AMCA as compared to ADA. And HAL is also the manufacturing partner for prototypes which means HAL is in charge of production of prototypes as well, and will be coordinating with all other agencies and vendors. Indeed, read the fine print carefully.

 

[Akshat]

Have you ever wondered that CCS cleared the use of funds for prototyping only a month ago?

Did you realize that it took 16 years to submit documents for fund release by CCS (design phase) and less than a year to clear that file?

 

[Akshat]

Turkey is flying a glorified RC model - a country which had never developed a 4 gen fighter itself in its lifetime will develop a 5th gen in 5 years - nice dreams. Turkey is just copying the same CCP route --- only sound & no substance in attempt to capture the potential mullah market for 5th gen fighters. Erdogan has to show something to remain relevant. The TB2's fate in Russia showed only how much Turkish engineering can do

At least they are flying something unlike us who is taking 20+ years even for LCA mk2. And TB2 was hugely successful. It did the job it was made to do-destroy targets and provide surveillance in uncontested airspace. That stopped the entire Russian army from proceeding.

 

[Akshat]

Why the air intakes protruding out, won't it increase it's radar sign?
To be fair the funds were'nt released up until now.

The papers for release of funds were submitted less then a year back. After the defense budget was approved. So GoI actually took money from contingency funds and approved them. Compare that to 16 years they took to submit the papers in the first place.

 

[rtnguy]

The main issue is the engine. They need a 120-130KN medium weight engine for AMCA which does not exist as of now.

 

[Bhaskar Ambekar]

First successfully execute AMCA product, then think about other products, only having visions without any output at the end makes no sense

 

[Bhaskar Ambekar]

An unfortunate truth, but we do need to join one of these 6th generation programs. Otherwise, we'll be stuck playing catch-up for the next couple of decades.

By the time world is on 7th Generation, we will be having 5.5 Version, hard truth

 

[Bhaskar Ambekar]

Dear lord! about time we stop this madness. We are struggling to produce LCA MK-2, a patently 4-4.5 generation fighter, and we are having wild fantasy for developing 6 generation fighter, when we cant even produce Tejas MK-2 on time. If we continue this way, we will become the laughingstock of the world and will be ridiculed for this madness.

Yea, indigenous product but main heart the engine being imported from other countries, we have become a laughing stock

 

[Hari Sud]

One thing at a time, otherwise you overextend limited resources.

 

[Pink Panther]

Can you make it 2050😹😹😹

The phase at which projects are moving, I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes till 2050 or even beyond, also there are a lot of contradictions and disagreements in policies between India and the US, so procurement of several products are even in jeopardy.

 

[Anil Sabaji]

Instead of differentiating fighter jets as 5th Gen or 6th Gen just keep improving the Technologies with every batch

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

amca mk1 prototype isn't coming before 2033

True, my guess is that it would be atleast 2038-40 before it even commences its a full scale fllight prototype commences flight testing trials seriously

 

[Joydeep Ghosh]

Dear lord! about time we stop this madness. We are struggling to produce LCA MK-2, a patently 4-4.5 generation fighter, and we are having wild fantasy for developing 6 generation fighter, when we cant even produce Tejas MK-2 on time. If we continue this way, we will become the laughingstock of the world and will be ridiculed for this madness.

true after tejas mk1, there is mk1a then mk2, then tedbf, only then amca mk1 will come thats easy 2033

 

[Pink Panther]

An unfortunate truth, but we do need to join one of these 6th generation programs. Otherwise, we'll be stuck playing catch-up for the next couple of decades.

It will be too expensive for India, the best option for India is something like FGFA, make a local product with foreign collabration.

 

[Avada kedavra]

Who are the private players?
If HAL is uncharge expect 2038.

 

[Pink Panther]

Make it after 2045, the MK2 itself is unlikely to enter production anytime before 2033, and you expect them to suddenly succeed in producing AMCA, which has drastically expanded technology scope?

That’s how it looks like, also all procurements from US like engines are doubtful due to many disagreements in policies, for an example CAA, if India buys anything major from Russia, then that’s the end of any cooperation.

 

[Amit Ray]

Unmanned Invisible Fighter Aircraft. 7th Generation.

 

[Puneet]

The time-line is good or ambitious I'd say. HAL needs massive restructuring. Maybe they should appoint a serving Air Marshall at the helm to steer HAL. Military discipline will help it to work in clockwork fashion.

 

[Baka007]

USA/ China/ Russia/ Turkey - we have 5th gen fighter and soon 6th
India - we have vision 👀 🙈