Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

The core component of jet is engine. That with stealth capabilities possible by Ada? Then how heat signature will be reduced? Us. More advanced in engine tech. Just fund getting not enough. Build stealthy engine. Any details in critical review about engine. No. Only partial success possible.
 
The core component of jet is engine. That with stealth capabilities possible by Ada? Then how heat signature will be reduced? Us. More advanced in engine tech. Just fund getting not enough. Build stealthy engine. Any details in critical review about engine. No. Only partial success possible.
First make f-22 with stealth engine.
 
Russia has been a friend for decades and India must not turn its back on Russia...Russia will continue as a military supplier but mostly for spares, upgrades, MRO etc...India will also continue to rely on Russia for energy, Artic access, nuclear energy, space tech and geopolitical support...Nevertheless, we all know that most Russian technology (especially sensors, avionics, stealth etc...) are behind what the US typically fields (F-22s, F-35s, AH-64s, MQ-9s), and in the past we did not have much of a choice, but now mostly we have access (France, US etc...) and our military-industrial-R&D complex has been a focus with atmanirbharta (AMCA, Project-Alpha etc...), therefore we must invest on our own homegrown capabilities (while only acquiring cutting edge that we really need now/can't build domestically) to become a military superpower.
 
Amca no need joint development. Then why crying for joint development of engine with Safran. Built it own.
 
I think bad experience with FGFA program may be the reason why India is hesitant to join Tempest program or other joint 6th gen fighter development program. India wants to have full control over the project. and IAF is a picky customer, it wants products that are well suited to india specific conditions. Also, these joint development projects like tempest dont have good record. Korean semi 5th gen program had indonesia as partener, and there were lots of issues there. F35 is the only success I can think of and it had its own cost overruns and delays.
F-35 has 58% availability time and high cost of maintenance which are it's flaws.
 
Not quite. Many multi-national developmental projects have been successful, albeit back in the 20th century. Three examples are the Anglo-French SEPECAT Jaguar, the Anglo-Italo-German Pana via Tornado, and the Anglo-Italo-German-Spanish Eurofighter Typhoon. The GCAP project seems to be proceeding well, and the FCAS project is also proceeding, albeit at a slower pace.

Multi-national projects are hard to pull off, and of course you need to compromise, but they a failure there is an exception rather than the norm.
Agree...But India must think what after AMCA (at least start thinking and build a future looking team) and start work before 2030...Evaluating GCAP might not be a bad option if India can have equity, workshare, TOT and ability to manufacture domestically...Between Japan and UK there is a lot of capability (India will get a lot of geopolitical benefits), and 6th Gen planes will require lots of capital and R&D, especially around variable cycle engines...Yes, it will increase our dependencies, but given AMCA will operationalize (fully) in 2035-2040, we should not wait till 2035 to start thinking about what next...Currently, only the US and potentially China have the military budgets to go it alone, along with the R&D base, to fund billions into future programs, thus we need to be smart, opportunistic and collaborative, and seriously evaluate GCAP (of course Japan+UK+Italy need to play ball).
 
F-35 has 58% availability time and high cost of maintenance which are it's flaws.
Yeah, but I recently read that they are going to increase it to bring up to F-16 level. They have a lot of experience with maintaining 5th gen aircraft, so I guess that they have figured out all issues now
 
I think bad experience with FGFA program may be the reason why India is hesitant to join Tempest program or other joint 6th gen fighter development program. India wants to have full control over the project. and IAF is a picky customer, it wants products that are well suited to india specific conditions. Also, these joint development projects like tempest dont have good record. Korean semi 5th gen program had indonesia as partener, and there were lots of issues there. F35 is the only success I can think of and it had its own cost overruns and delays.
Even if India jin either of project(FCAS /Tempest) it will have Limitation in Building eco-system some systems & weapons have to b imported AMCA MK2 going to b upgraded 6th Gen Stealth Fighter jet.apart from Engine India have started Most of the system developing . who ever joins with India for developing Aero-Engine will benefit in cost .France may b like to grab this opportunity with India and develop a common platform for FCAS & AMCA . and same power plant may b replace for Indian Rafales too.
 
Not quite. Many multi-national developmental projects have been successful, albeit back in the 20th century. Three examples are the Anglo-French SEPECAT Jaguar, the Anglo-Italo-German Pana via Tornado, and the Anglo-Italo-German-Spanish Eurofighter Typhoon. The GCAP project seems to be proceeding well, and the FCAS project is also proceeding, albeit at a slower pace.

Multi-national projects are hard to pull off, and of course you need to compromise, but they a failure there is an exception rather than the norm.
I think the main motivation for these is reduced costs. But you sacrifice control over the project. There are also security concerns regardimg sensitive info. I think france has participate in many joint projects for all 3 services but it has pulled out of most.
 
So 6 prototypes 1.5 billion
Manufacturing infra 1.5 billion
Joint engine development 2 billion
Is it india afford this. Think about people first. Then automatically move to joint development.
 
we have won 6 of 7 wars post independence with heavy dependence on foreign maal
Yes, we have won 6 of 7 wars post independence with heavy dependence on foreign maal but don't forget that the other party was also dependent on foreign maal
 
As it stands, Going Solo is the best way forward for Indian fighter developments.

Slowly and surely, Tejas IA, Tejas Mk2, TEDBF, and AMCA will fructify.
Just need time and dogged persistence to ram through to get to the milestones.
 
It won't, unless Russia is willing to invest a fair amount of resources and time into the aircraft. That won't happen unless they have guaranteed orders, or atleast a lot of interest.

Moreover, they can have all the stuff ready, but they still need to put it together and ensure it all works together, and then ensure everything works to the customers' satisfaction. That is what I wrote.
If whatever components, subsystems that we make for Tejas MK2 would go into AMCA, why wouldn’t the components and subsystems made for SU-57 go into SU-75, your comment doesn’t make any sense at all, this is exactly what Russians said about SU-75, I didn’t say it, do SU-75 prototype will be made in no time.
 
Not quite. Many multi-national developmental projects have been successful, albeit back in the 20th century. Three examples are the Anglo-French SEPECAT Jaguar, the Anglo-Italo-German Pana via Tornado, and the Anglo-Italo-German-Spanish Eurofighter Typhoon. The GCAP project seems to be proceeding well, and the FCAS project is also proceeding, albeit at a slower pace.

Multi-national projects are hard to pull off, and of course you need to compromise, but they a failure there is an exception rather than the norm.
To addnto that
Historcally the member nations of such multi-nation alliances have been so called "White" countries of Europe.

Nowhere an example of multiple nations of mixed ethnicity participating in large projects have been successful.
 
I am not talking about J20. FC-31 is still long way away from being inducted by pakistan. Even after J-20 started production, it took china half a decade to fix its issues.
FC-31 is the first stealth jet they made without Canards and tested, after this, Chinese started removing canards from J20, So FC-31 is almost production ready, they are already testing them in their carriers and would induct them anytime within this year.
 
Agree...But India must think what after AMCA (at least start thinking and build a future looking team) and start work before 2030...Evaluating GCAP might not be a bad option if India can have equity, workshare, TOT and ability to manufacture domestically...Between Japan and UK there is a lot of capability (India will get a lot of geopolitical benefits), and 6th Gen planes will require lots of capital and R&D, especially around variable cycle engines...Yes, it will increase our dependencies, but given AMCA will operationalize (fully) in 2035-2040, we should not wait till 2035 to start thinking about what next...Currently, only the US and potentially China have the military budgets to go it alone, along with the R&D base, to fund billions into future programs, thus we need to be smart, opportunistic and collaborative, and seriously evaluate GCAP (of course Japan+UK+Italy need to play ball).
we need to think about Tejas MK1A first. HAL hasn’t started producing them yet, then MK2, then TEDBF and finally AMCA which is a far fetched dream.
 
Russia has been a friend for decades and India must not turn its back on Russia...Russia will continue as a military supplier but mostly for spares, upgrades, MRO etc...India will also continue to rely on Russia for energy, Artic access, nuclear energy, space tech and geopolitical support...Nevertheless, we all know that most Russian technology (especially sensors, avionics, stealth etc...) are behind what the US typically fields (F-22s, F-35s, AH-64s, MQ-9s), and in the past we did not have much of a choice, but now mostly we have access (France, US etc...) and our military-industrial-R&D complex has been a focus with atmanirbharta (AMCA, Project-Alpha etc...), therefore we must invest on our own homegrown capabilities (while only acquiring cutting edge that we really need now/can't build domestically) to become a military superpower.
India needs to do its own, and unsentimental, evaluation of Russian and NATO weapons' performance in the Ukraine war. Not rely on opinions of troll -army of unemployed UK/NATO/US arm-chair experts.
 

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