Why MoD Rejected Uttam AESA Radar for Rafale M Jets Despite Having Integration Plans for MiG-29K and TEDBF

[M S Chatterji]

should have gone for Uttam AESA Radar , same mistake done like Mirage-2000 opportunity is there with Indigenous option, Apart From Astra Family IN can Integrate Brahmos-NG , Rudram Family in Future oh & India already paid ISE charges why France cant add one more to it why Dassault want heavy price for Just One Upgrade Just to Milk more money ..........??? In Mid-Life upgrade Bharat Must go for Indigenous GaN AESA Radar .

Indian Army/Navy/Airforce hate locally developed components. One reason is the refusal of the OEM to work with Indian hardware. Advantage is that Indian missiles, torpedo and bombs could be easily integrated. So why did MOD fall for the imported one is most likely warranty on the planes.

 

[Akshat]

My question is: they recently announced that Rafale M price is significantly lower before the visit of A. Doval to France. What is the price tag per aircraft then?

No one can answer it right now. Wait till the final deal is signed. Any numbers till then are just speculative. What can be said is that this price is lowest among all the options we had.

 

[PKPRS]

GOI came and told you all that? 😂😂😂

This has been the requirement of MRFA after PM is back from visiting Putin.

 

[Akshat]

This has been the requirement of MRFA after PM is back from visiting Putin.

So far the AoN for MRFA hasn’t been released. The requirements will come in the RFP, after the AoN. PM in fact included clauses where the plane has to be fully operational and price can’t be increased after the deal after he met Putin, since he came to know that Putin plans to increase the price to 1 billion usd per plane for Mig35 after winning the deal, along with development costs for making it fully ready.

 

[Hey]

How many Times Mirage-2000 Fleet was upgraded ...........??? according to your Logic Mirage have been upgraded 3 Times Not even PESA Radar have been Integrated

Software upgrades to integrate different weapons etc , EW suit , Electronics & Radar

One mid-time upgrade of Jet cost the same as a brand new jet

 

[sanket]

Indian Army/Navy/Airforce hate locally developed components. One reason is the refusal of the OEM to work with Indian hardware. Advantage is that Indian missiles, torpedo and bombs could be easily integrated. So why did MOD fall for the imported one is most likely warranty on the planes.

WhAP is Great Example , Got Export order , Dreaming about Stryker

 

[The Presence]

And when would that be? My guess is late 2000s? The Thales statement came around 2014.

And did Thales say that this is a ~840 TRM radar and is the one being used in Rafales? I am sure they didn’t.

You can count the TRMs on your own, or rely on others who have already done it before.

Which statement? Where's the official link to this statement ?

TRM Count from Official Image > "Will have in future" Statements

 

[Shiva]

about 15 years before, the cost in Indian Indigenou products used to be below 10% as that of US but now the cost is less than just 50%.
This increased cost to 5 folds, is the crucial reason behind all these hurdles.
Our R&D people learned how to expoit public tax money by increase their cost projections.
Probably this is the reason behind the rejection.
DRDO must come up with new proposals to set back cost calcutaions in a same way, how used to be 15 years before. If it is done so, then you will never find rejection of these kind of changes because of cost factors.

 

[Zircon]

Spares... this is where the foreign def suppliers make huge profits. 2000% or more. The Indian babus couldn't care less. Everything is " nice to have ".. not need to have. They can't be bothered about precious fx costs outflow. They buy this and that, 101 models of weapons and then spares provisioning for tens of thousands of parts is a "deal" with their buddy overseas middlemen agents.
It is a racket that never seem to stop bleeding the country.

 

[PKPRS]

So far the AoN for MRFA hasn’t been released. The requirements will come in the RFP, after the AoN. PM in fact included clauses where the plane has to be fully operational and price can’t be increased after the deal after he met Putin, since he came to know that Putin plans to increase the price to 1 billion usd per plane for Mig35 after winning the deal, along with development costs for making it fully ready.

Following are the clauses added after PM's visit to Russia
MOD made a policy switch to buy as many as 114 Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA)

only from a vendor who is ready to set up a manufactuting unit in India for the entire aircraft.

It also wants transfer of technology and full production in India in a joint venture with a local partner.

Will Dassault do anything above, only when somebody brings a production line to India it is possible.

Policy switch to make full fighter jets in India

NEW DELHI: Not content with piecemeal Make in India initiatives in its defence procurement, the Union government has made a policy switch to buy as many as 114

www.newindianexpress.com

 

[kurtwallis wallis]

Rafale prototype originally flew with GE engine before M88 was made, so it should be a easy fit.

NOT AT ALL POSSIBLE to convert existing jet to another OEM of engines in reality!!!