Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[Satya Dev]

Title says 'soon' and article says 'in next 6 months'!

 

[venkat]

Take this news with a large lorry of salt. Nothing will move for another 3 years at 6

 

[Guru]

There's been a crash with the F35, F16, Rafale and others around the world. People don't stop buying them and we still don't know the exact cause of it. There was some talk that there was an engine issue but more will be revealed in time.

So you are comparing LCA light weight fighter development (with imported engine, radar and other parts total 60%) with the most sophisticated fighter jet development.

 

[PRO]

India's AMCA Project Spells Trouble for Russia's Su-57 and Su-75 Ambitions​

The Security Committee of the Council of Ministers of India has embarked on an ambitious venture: the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project. With a dedicated investment of 1.8 billion dollars, India is bolstering its aerospace capabilities while marking a significant shift in its defence strategy.

The AMCA project highlights India's determination to become self-sufficient in defence, moving away from its traditional reliance on Russian military technology.

India and Russia have shared a long history of defence cooperation, with India utilizing primarily Soviet-era equipment and technology. However, recent developments signal a changing dynamic.

Russia's introduction of the Su-75 Checkmate, a fifth-generation fighter aircraft aimed at markets like India, has been met with an underwhelming response. India's reduced enthusiasm for Russian hardware highlights its desire to diversify its military procurement and nurture its own defence industry.

The AMCA project embodies India's ambition to plot its own path in military aviation. With substantial investment in developing a fifth-generation fighter jet, India seeks to both reduce its reliance on foreign suppliers and greatly enhance its defence capabilities.

The AMCA promises to be a highly adaptable platform, featuring advanced avionics, stealth technology, and unmatched firepower, all designed to meet the evolving needs of the Indian Air Force.

India's decision to develop the AMCA has far-reaching strategic consequences. By building domestic capabilities in military aviation, India bolsters its national security and cements its position as a sovereign power on the global stage.

Further, the AMCA's development will increase India's standing as a credible partner in defence cooperation, fostering potential collaborations with other nations in aerospace technology.

 

[Pink Panther]

As if AMCA is ready next month, realistically we can expect AMCA between 2035-2040 if all goes well.

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

Only thing Russia can offer is a ssn design and 200 mw nuclear reactor and space technologies . I dont think, they have much to offer other than these. THEY havent invested in anything for a longtime.

And probably some military transport aircraft designs.

 

[Itachi]

What a joke 🤣🤣🤣 .. mark my comment , sooner or later iaf have to buy small number of foreigner 5th gen aircraft because pakistan will get 5th gen aircraft before 2030 and about amca we will be very lucky if we see amca in iaf sarvice before 2040 ...

 

[NSR]

It started long time ago by Russian President Putin itself.

SU-57 withered away when Russia took $350 millions to define Indian FGFA concept (SU-75 derivative) but did not let Indian IAF or any government employee go near the SU-57 prototype.
Russia asked for billions to develop Indian FGFA and India refused it.
Russia failed the trust test right there and then.

Su-75 needs money to develop and India has its own fighters to develop.
So India said goodbye to Russian fighters.

Blessing in disguise.

 

[Frank]

Good. Atmanirbharta only solution

Although very late and sloowww

 

[Frank]

Only thing Russia can offer is a ssn design and 200 mw nuclear reactor and space technologies . I dont think, they have much to offer other than these. THEY havent invested in anything for a longtime.

We should develop our own SSN

190MW is possible by barc

 

[Ashutosh]

We should go for Su 75, if Russia manages to rollout and conduct first flight of the plane before 2027, since it's a SEF- it can easily complement AMCA when the later would be ready( mk1- 2033 IOC).

Pak already has 2 options, and they might induct J35 soon. We can't afford to lose the lead to them.

And Idk from where some fag0ts have the confidence to say that Rafales are better than J20s.- If u go on hearing western propaganda, u will end up having this superiority complex too. As of now, I still don't know on what basis is Rafale better than J20

 

[Mango_Indian]

Forget AMCA, Tejas Mk2 will take till 2030 to ENTER production. And I am being very very optimistic here.

AMCA can only be expected to ENTER production post 2035 best case or 2040 worst case. Till that time, IAF will have a 5th gen fighter vacuum. While China will have a 300+ fleet of matured 5th gen fighters (if not more) and even P!6stan will BEG and GET 50-60 5th gen fighters (Chinese).

Is India OK with this HUGE CAPABILITY GAP?

 

[sanket]

Only Time will tell ,But once Russia start inducting Su-57 and AMCA have time to become mature platform so India can think about it Su-57 is better platform than Su-75. India may buy 3 to 4 sqadron of Su-57.

 

[Superpower Bharat]

Only thing Russia can offer is a ssn design and 200 mw nuclear reactor and space technologies . I dont think, they have much to offer other than these. THEY havent invested in anything for a longtime.

HAL already tried with a JV model, but it failed

 

[Superpower Bharat]

What Russia only can do make a production ready Model of Su-75 by 2025 and offer it in MRCA tender in place of MIG-35 or Su-35.. But it is very unlikely

 

[nakul1307]

Only short term solution is to speed up MRFA. Dassault is reeling under orders and will only be too happy to make in India, for India and possibly Gulf too. Maybe 114 can be broken into two, 78 Rafale and 36 SU57, assembled here to maintain balance.

 

[Atharva]

I always said that we are too over optimistic about AMCA as R&D is a time consuming process And according to recent reports Su 75 will be delayed.

 

[Anant]

Only short term solution is to speed up MRFA. Dassault is reeling under orders and will only be too happy to make in India, for India and possibly Gulf too. Maybe 114 can be broken into two, 78 Rafale and 36 SU57, assembled here to maintain balance.

Local production of less than 100 aircraft will be difficult to push through, both financially and contractually. That said, a speed-up of MRFA (all 114 aircraft of them) is highly needed.

 

[Anant]

What Russia only can do make a production ready Model of Su-75 by 2025 and offer it in MRCA tender in place of MIG-35 or Su-35.. But it is very unlikely

Not happening. Work hasn't even started on the Su-75 prototype. A first flight is not even planned yet, not to mention all of the testing, the LSP and UA tests, and finally a production-ready version. At the bare minimum, that is a 4-5 year cycle.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Pak already has 2 options, and they might induct J35 soon. We can't afford to lose the lead to them.

J35 or FC-31 is still lomg way away. It is first going to be inducted by chinese navy, then it would be exported that too in few numbers

 

[Atharva]

AMCA can only be expected to ENTER production post 2035 best case or 2040 worst case. Till that time, IAF will have a 5th gen fighter vacuum. While China will have a 300+ fleet of matured 5th gen fighters (if not more) and even P!6stan will BEG and GET 50-60 5th gen fighters (Chinese).

Obviously, amca is going to enter in production after 2030 as as we started the project in 2010 so I never expected that we can develop it before 2030. And I agree we have to buy foreign 5th gen fighters

 

[Atharva]

SU-57 withered away when Russia took $350 millions to define Indian FGFA concept (SU-75 derivative) but did not let Indian IAF or any government employee go near the SU-57 prototype.
Russia asked for billions to develop Indian FGFA and India refused it.
Russia failed the trust test right there and then.

Source?

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

India should fiocus on the 3 upcoming jets- tejas mk2, amca and tedbf. Tunnel vision. We have been building domestic missiles and bombs for this very reason. Other countries throw tantrums when asked to integrate indian systems

 

[Ashutosh]

J35 or FC-31 is still lomg way away. It is first going to be inducted by chinese navy, then it would be exported that too in few numbers

Only few numbers of a stealth aircraft is enough to give CAS. We have Rafales in few numbers only.

 

[Bikramjeet Goswami]

Only short term solution is to speed up MRFA. Dassault is reeling under orders and will only be too happy to make in India, for India and possibly Gulf too. Maybe 114 can be broken into two, 78 Rafale and 36 SU57, assembled here to maintain balance.

Its pointless to pursue the SU 57. In terms of stealth it is inferior to American and Chinese stealth planes. Western sensors and avionics are far superior to Russian ones. Without significant investment by China or India the SU 57 has no future as Russia on its own lacks the resources to develop it to its full potential. Better to have a strategic partnership with Dassault to manufacture Rafales.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Only few numbers of a stealth aircraft is enough to give CAS. We have Rafales in few numbers only.

Our rafales though few in numbers are proven system with decades of development and service with a suite of state of the weapon like meteor.

And these rafales were super costly. That is why we bought so few first time around.

The number of FC-31 aircraft Pakistan can afford is in single digits which they will struggle to maintain because stealth aircraft are notoriously difficult and exoensive to maintain.

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

HAL already tried with a JV model, but it failed

True, russians wanted russian engines on those planes. India didnt want russian engines becuse of previous experiences. Probably alternative is indian design with russian assistance maybe for some funds to them. Or Maybe a modified russian or ukranian design with western engines after the war! Because they will need money after the war ,both ukranian antonovs and russians. We should buy some of their technologies for some money. Thats what chinese did after ussr fall.

 

[Mridul baruah]

LOL.. Let me say what's going to happen. We will keep getting néw dates of roll out and first flight. By then Pakistan will be getting their 5th Gen fighters from China and Turkey. Then India will panic buy the Russian Su57s paying twice the price.

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

What a joke 🤣🤣🤣 .. mark my comment , sooner or later iaf have to buy small number of foreigner 5th gen aircraft because pakistan will get 5th gen aircraft before 2030 and about amca we will be very lucky if we see amca in iaf sarvice before 2040 ...

I dont think so. Pakistan's 2 options both have just started flying. It will be another 5-6 yrs minimum to clear everything, then they get export ready.

India will have its prototypes by then, i hope.

 

[Mridul baruah]

J35 or FC-31 is still lomg way away. It is first going to be inducted by chinese navy, then it would be exported that too in few numbers

If a fighter with more than 2 flying prototype is long time away.. What about a fighter that is on paper and is going to be made by an organisation that has a dubious reputation with relaxed approach to work.