Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) News and Discussion

[amerjit johal]

Turkey has very limited access to advanced Western tech. They were NOT even a Partner re F 35 programme.
Everyone is making excuses for DRDO etc fukkk up.

 

[Sandeep]

No, that's the Chinese deception. It's deliberately kept radar signature during peace time. In combat, expect surprises. Chinese are not fools either. Whoever underestimated our enemies ended up like our forefathers who charged straight to cannon fire.

No this was during the recent border skirmish when they were flying combat ready air patrols with ready to fire weapons. Also their engine still emit IR heat discharge which makes it easier to track them. The Chinese norm is to overstate their military true capabilities and weapons but they have all underperformed, it’s defective, unreliable, faulty etc. Every country who bought weapons or technology like submarines, frigates, tanks, fighter jets etc all countries have complained about it including Pakistan.

 

[kumar]

No.

Yes, by 6 months at the least.

 

[Sandeep]

Yes, by 6 months at the least.

The funding hasn’t been delayed because we still have to complete financial negotiations with GE for the F414 engine and without it how can they make a jet without an engine. All funding has been allocated ASAP so there won’t be any problems as soon as the deal is signed.

 

[Sandeep]

I won't expect it's GOI is expecting..... Main reason for delay

No it’s not the government as they have cleared the technology requirements but can’t manufacture which will continue

 

[Sandeep]

What is stopping us from getting project consultants from BAe RR etc.
In fact AMCA project should not have even started without these external consultants.

The problem is that it will be too expensive to use them as consultants but you never get a complete indigenous jet or technology as they will always try and including their own equipment and technology

 

[Anant]

They can do the exact same thing and stealth fighters are only useful in carry out stealth attacks in the early stages of a war as after that they lose their value and become similar to a 4.5th generation jet.

No, they are still relevant alright. In cases where you have a contested airspace, the main advantage you would have from stealth fighters would be for them to act as a networking point to guide munitions and the like launched from non-stealth fighters.

Do consider that this is part of US doctrine: The F-35 has limited internal weapons capacity. Hence, a bunch of 4.5th generation aircraft would launch weapons from stand-off ranges (where the danger to them would be lesser) and the F-35 would then act as a networking hub to lead those munitions closer to the target, ultimately ceding control to the weapons' own internal guidance systems.

Most wars have a contested airspace. Look no further than Russia's abortive invasion of Ukraine. In such scenarios, assuming that your 5th generation aircraft have a relatively low chance of being detected, they would act as excellent munitions networking and guiding hubs in contested airspace and save you the potential loss of a bunch of 4.5th generation and older aircraft.

 

[NSR]

The funding hasn’t been delayed because we still have to complete financial negotiations with GE for the F414 engine and without it how can they make a jet without an engine. All funding has been allocated ASAP so there won’t be any problems as soon as the deal is signed.

India already has 10+ GE F414 engines in inventory.
These are 80% TOT and local manufacturing negotiations.

 

[kumar]

The funding hasn’t been delayed because we still have to complete financial negotiations with GE for the F414 engine and without it how can they make a jet without an engine. All funding has been allocated ASAP so there won’t be any problems as soon as the deal is signed.

We have gef414 engines for r&d. What was not done, was deal for local production of f414 engines which was concluded later.

 

[Sandeep]

Do consider that this is part of US doctrine: The F-35 has limited internal weapons capacity. Hence, a bunch of 4.5th generation aircraft would launch weapons from stand-off ranges (where the danger to them would be lesser) and the F-35 would then act as a networking hub to lead those munitions closer to the target, ultimately ceding control to the weapons' own internal guidance systems.

They aren’t AWACS so other than guiding our other jets to them with GPS, Navic or radar then they have to fight as a normal 4.5th generation fighter with the rest of them but they will still face the same threats from SAM and A2A missiles.

 

[Sandeep]

India already has 10+ GE F414 engines in inventory.
These are 80% TOT and local manufacturing negotiations.

No they don’t because they haven’t developed a prototype yet so how did they order 10 F414 engines? What were they using those engines for then when they have no jet to use on?

 

[NSR]

No they don’t because they haven’t developed a prototype yet so how did they order 10 F414 engines? What were they using those engines for then when they have no jet to use on?

Go away and have a chat with Akshat, etc

 

[RonitBisht]

IAF and HAL Close to Finalizing Deal with GE Aerospace for F414 Engine: Advancing LCA Mk2 and AMCA Programs​

An agreement is close to being finalised between the Indian Air Force (IAF) and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) with GE Aerospace Defence & Systems for the F414 engine. This development marks a significant advancement for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk2 and Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) initiatives.

Last month, GE President Amy Gowder provided an update on the deal, mentioning that a comprehensive technical proposal will be sent to HAL shortly. An agreement outlining component specifications and costs is anticipated to be finalised before summer, setting the stage for engine production.

Deliveries are expected to be completed within three years, based on the needs of IAF and DRDO. The agreement, worth close to $1 billion, involves a remarkable 80% technology transfer, covering hot-end coating, crystal blades, and laser drilling technology for the F414 engines.

These engines are set to be used in both the Mk2 version of the LCA and the initial batches of the AMCA. This represents a notable improvement over the existing GE F404 engines utilised in the LCA Mk1A and previous LCA versions.

The agreement enhances India’s domestic fighter jet initiatives and cements its important partnership with the US. The transfer of technology is expected to augment India's aerospace proficiencies and maybe facilitate forthcoming partnerships.

 

[desigandu]

Good, let us get the contract signed and start the work on TOT, domestic production...This is critical for Tejas-Mk2, AMCA-Mk1 and TEDBF.

 

[bonito]

No hurry. Take your own time. We still have 33 engines to assemble which itself will take 4-5 yrs.

 

[Ranjeet Singh]

Deal should also include enhanced GE-404 (90 KN) to be made in India along with GE-414 !

 

[Sathish Kumaram]

OVerhead cost saved..by delaying the contract..

 

[Ajay]

Regardless, India must pursue alternate engine. Can't trust US with critical components.

 

[AC]

Hot pressed, cold rolled pennsylvania steel. Guaranteed to never melt. !

 

[kumar]

First let us get our own Kaveri Engine to get LCA MK1A to run

 

[Xi the pooh]

engines will come in 3,4 years but this guy was already exporting them

 

[Srinivas Nirmal Kumar Avula]

If at the last minute if US backs-off sharing GE F414 Jet Engine Technology with India.
What we can do? We can do nothing?

 

[RG]

Same status since last 300 years 🙂

 

[RG]

Have alternative available engines to prevent timeline delays, use the technology that is at hand, even if it is less efficient and refines, go through the maturity cycle to build skills and employ talent within the country. Rather than just paying for imports and negotiating to avoid sanctions, sanctions and sanctions.

 

[Pink Panther]

This is like tumor of tiger coming into village, why 3 more years.